Told this story before here, but it's time to tell it again. I was in a North Jersey bar the night the draft concluded. Found myself amongst the NY Giants scouts who went out as a group after the draft. Upon learning I was a Jets fan, their comment to me was, we rated Chandler Jones ahead of Quinton Coples. Mistake by the Jets. I've always had those two players in mind ever since. Giants scouts were correct about that one at least.
The fact remains that edge rusher is an important need. I agree the Jets need to build the offense, but if the price is right and you can save the 1st, you pounce on it. They have tons to spend next year.
Your point is a good one, and there is certainly some risk that he doesn't produce at a high level for as long as you need him to. That said, he might. But even if you're right, and he only gives the Jets a couple of years of high impact play, there is a lot to be said for that. Building a winning team is a progression where success breeds success. While he might not put them over the top, be might be a big part of getting them to the brink. And as an up and coming team, they would attract other top players and might not have to overpay as they've had to do in the past. I'm not saying it's a no-brainer, but given the length of the drought for a true pass rusher a 3rd for him has to be strongly considered.
Could've just drafted him. Instead took the guy who looked high as a Kite when he got drafted and did absolutely nothing for us.
I understand why it would be very tempting, not only from the perspective of finally have a topnotch edge rusher, but one who is relatively cheap, and would still leave them lots of cap space. But isn't using yet another fairly high pick on a defensive player just continuing to focus on the D, something you've been complaining about? What if adding Jones made the Jets decide to draft Oliver (NT) in the 1st round next year to complete Bowles D (except for a #1 CB), and then they drafted a CB with our 1st round pick in 2020, meanwhile they trotted out the same OL, and did little to help protect Same or put weapons around him? You know as well as I that it could happen. Further, how many quality mid 30s edge rushers are there in the league? I can think of only two Peppers and Suggs. Clay Matthews is 32 and he's not nearly the same player he was, and is getting penalized a lot. IMO Jones would have to stay healthy and avoid serious injury to play at a pretty high level for 7 more years. You could be right about his helping build a winning team and helping attract good FAs, but I don't want us to be too reliant on FAs, and would you really trust Mac to build that team or Bowles to coach it? Let's not forget that the Jets still have a pretty fair number of holes at important positions, and don't have a lot of quality depth. I'd rather see us show some improvement this season, but see Bowles and maybe Mac fired, the Jets be drafting in the top 10, get 3 really good players, and fill their edge rushing need in FA. It would also be one thing if they acquired him during the offseason as a FA, but he could help them win just enough games the rest of this season to make things exciting, but the Jets still miss the playoffs or be one and done, and then they'd have no shot at getting their future LT in next year's draft. Perhaps worst of all, acquiring him now could save Bowles and Macs' jobs, making them look better than they are. I don't want that. If they stay, I want it to be because Bowles has learned and grown in the job and become a good HC and Mac has found the players we need in the draft, not because one player artificially made the team look better than it actually was. Trading for him could work out and he could help lead us to a SB, but it could also cause us to miss out on a good player we might have drafted that could help us long term and then Jones only get us to mediocrity.
thats a dumb move. why trade to take on a 28 year old player on a biggish deal and invest even more into the defense when we dont have a win now team and desperately need to start investing money on the offensive side of the ball? jones is a guy you trade for when you are a 10-11 win team, not a 5-8 win team
Because Jones is a player that takes this defense from average/above average to the next level. He (like Mack and Miller) make everyone else on your defense better. Do you think 'Fat' Leo would be getting double teamed constantly if they had a presence like Jones on the other side? Before I get, "how the hell can you compare Jones to Mack and Miller??? Are you insane??" IIRC, Jones is top 3 in sacks over the last 2-3 years. He isn't quite as dominate as those two, but he is right there. Even after giving Jones that much money, you still have your 1st and another 3rd to invest on the offensive side of the ball. Oh, and lets not forget the $80m in cap that is leftover. People saying no to this are probably the same people who said no to the Mack trade.
LOL....No matter which player(s) is proposed in a trade to the Jets, people will always find a reason as to why it would be dumb. It could be Tyreke Hill, Kelce and Kareem Hunt for a 6th and 7th round conditional pic and someone will say we are giving up assets for guys who may be red/green color blind so they may get confused by our jerseys and run the wrong way in a game. And the 6th and 7th would definitely be two HOF lineman we lost out on. Gotta love it......
I think a lot of you guys are in lala land if you think you’re getting Chandler Jones for a 3rd. This guy is one of the best pass rushers in the game and in his prime. Also think those saying they wouldn’t send a 3rd rd pick for him are cray cray but that’s besides the point. I’d love to have him but as I said I doubt he’s going for a 3rd round pick and we’re not legit enough contenders to give up more than that.
Also gotta love that so many posters wanted a rebuild done the right way, to rebuild through the draft, and yet show no patience, and are so eager to give away our draft picks for every player linked to the Jets in a trade rumor. They act like there's no downside whatsoever and that the player would automatically stay healthy, be great and play for the Jets until he's 40. Mindless.
I said no to the Mack trade, but, if the Jets can get Jones for a 3rd, I'm all about it. I'm also one of this board's biggest proponent of drafting offensive linemen early and often. Still, I'd be in favor of this trade. This defense is not a pass rusher away from being elite. However, it has proven quite capable of consistently forcing 3rd-and-long situations. Unfortunately, it has really failed to make anything of them. A pass rusher could make all the difference here. If we can get the defense off the field faster, that means more possessions for Sam. More possessions means more experience, means faster development. If the change leads to fewer points for the other team, then maybe the Jets get lucky and get more wins out of the deal, too. Yes, a 3rd round pick could be around a lot longer than a 28-year-old pass rusher. So what. Say we draft a C or a LG with that pick-- how many 3rd round interior offensive linemen are day 1 starters in the NFL? The crucial time to get Sam on the right track is NOW, and Jones can help with that, even if it is on the other side of the ball.
Jones is in his prime. He's in unbelievable shape and he's a great player. The rumor on the Cardinal side is Patrick Peterson is on the trading block along with Deone Buchanan and Reddick. There is nothing on the AZ side about Jones. Petterson is getting old but he's the best CB in the NFL and played for Bowles. He would be a huge upgrade for our D.
End of the day, Jets need playmakers. If he can play at a night level for 4-5 years, I say pull the trigger. That’d be the duration of Sams rookie deal. Who knows what things look like after that.
My friend, just because Sam gets more possessions doesn't mean that equals faster development. What if in adding Jones, Bowles thinks, "Aha, now that I have an elite edge rusher, I can win with D, so we can scale the offense back more and not take so many risks. We can run the ball more, and have Sam throw fewer and shorter passes."? That wouldn't lead to faster development, and with Bowles, it would be likely. I don't remember where you stand on Bowles as HC, but the additional wins that Jones could bring could make Bowles look better than he is, and make Chris extend him again rather than firing him.
I'm starting to feel like we need to keep adding pieces until we’re “ready to win”. Gotta start somewhere. Plus I’m all for adding Syracuse players.
DUDE.... so essentially you're saying "Improving the defense will impede Sam's development"?!?! Pretty ridiculous
