CBS: Jets Sign David Garrard

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  1. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    My thinking here is the Jets needed to get someone who was going to be able to start for two solid years. The thinking there is that they will likely not get a Qb in the draft this year, since it is too thin at that position, and wil draft one next off season. But that player can't be counted on to start, so you want this year's starting Qb to last at least into next season. From what we know about Garrard's age and health, that is not a likely scenario for him.

    The savvy vet making a comeback is a great narrative, but rarely does it happen. And it's not like Garrard has been successful since as far back as 2008, either.

    Too much time out of the game, too many injuries. Meh.
     
  2. Mambo9

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    His body got 2 years to heal... hopefully he has one or two years left in him.
     
  3. Biggs

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    Why does management bringing in competition for Sanchez make any Jets fan happy? Management has to bring a franchise QB to this team. Competition for Sanchez has no impact on that happening.
     
  4. JET'S_my_name

    JET'S_my_name Banned

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    This is my point. They really aren't bringing in any guys that are going to start over Sanchez. Not that there are really any FA's out there. They screwed up giving him a big un-tradable contract and now they have to sleep in the bed they made.
     
  5. LeonNYJ

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    Probably because the only way to bring in a franchise QB is to draft one and since this year's draft isn't all that stacked with QBs, they probably want to wait a year.
     
  6. cval

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    Have you ever watched Garrard play? I like David but he is what he is an average NFL Qb with accuracy issues. His biggest assest was his mobility but we will see if he still has it. There was a reason Jacksonville cut him not a great one but a reason.

    Garrard is a solid back-up but he is just that if Mark falters he will hold down the fort but he is not the type of QB to win you games.
     
  7. wildaces

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    I strongly suggest that you should re-evaluate your definition of accuracy
     
  8. The 1985er

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    We're rebuilding so this doesn't surprise me. he should provide "competition" for sanchez in training camp.
     
  9. cval

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    You can take swipes and make stupid arguments about Sanchez but the fact remains Mark can throw the ball accurately nothing to do with completion percentage.

    Does he make inaccurate throws yes as all QBs do including Drew Brees and Peyton Manning. Marks problem is more to do with timing and ill-advised throws than accuracy.
     
  10. wildaces

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    OK, I haven't once mentioned completion percentage. I just watch Sanchez play.
     
  11. displacedfan

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    Your first point is wrong. Accuracy and completion percentage usually go hand in hand. There are rare circumstances when you have a low amount of attempts, but Sanchez wasn't very accurate last year. For every dropped pass there was an equally difficult catch made by wide receivers. He had trouble leading receivers and put the ball behind receivers when we the fans knew the routes. He can be accurate, he hasn't shown the ability to be consistently accurate.

    Now obviously comp % can be swayed if a QB takes a majority of their shots down the field or really close to the line of scrimmage, but most QBs don't do that for 16 games. They work their way down the field each game in different ways. There are usually more short throws then medium throws then deep throws. An accurate QB thrives on the short throws.

    EDIT: Thoguht this was the other thread

    Back on topic, not sure how people were expecting us to sign our franchise QB. The draft class looks weak and FA looks weak. What Garrard can help us do is be a solid placeholder. Also if we draft a QB this year, most likely he won't be able to start day 1. Garrard can be there to help show the ropes and eventually hand the job to the backup once he's ready whether that be next year or the middle of this year. We weren't hitting gold on QBs this year, but we needed to grab someone who can do ok and fill in quickly if Sanchez keeps up his poor play
     
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  12. Organized Chaos

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    David Garrard's completion percentage the last year he started: 64.5 (would have been 12th in the nfl last year)

    Mark Sanchez's completion percentage last year:54.3 (was 30th in the nfl last year).

    You would have been a hit at Pravda during the Soviet days.
     
  13. Organized Chaos

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    David Garrard Stat Splits from 2010:

    Passes thrown behind the line of scrimmage: 78.4 completion rate.
    Passes thrown 1-10 yards: 70.6 completion rate.

    Mark Sanchez Stat Splits from 2012:

    Passes thrown behind the line of scrimmage: 60.5
    Passes thrown 1-10 yards: 60.9

    Garrard is much more Accurate than Mark Sanchez has ever been. There is no shadow stat, nor is it a case of "MARK THROWING DEEP" or "MARK THROWING OUTSIDE THE NUMBERS" like cval and the other Sanchez supports like to pretend.

    The stats tell the story, for the few of us who couldn't decide simply from watching...Mark Sanchez is a bad QB, and Garrard was much better when he was starting.
     
  14. displacedfan

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    Thanks for finding the numbers to back me up. Not sure why you cut off my quote because I was making the same point you just made, accurate QBs thrive on short passes and that over a course of a 16 game season the "only throwing deep" or only throwing tough passes doesn't hold up.

    "Now obviously comp % can be swayed if a QB takes a majority of their shots down the field or really close to the line of scrimmage, but most QBs don't do that for 16 games. They work their way down the field each game in different ways. There are usually more short throws then medium throws then deep throws. An accurate QB thrives on the short throws."
     
  15. Organized Chaos

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    I was replying to you, but I was really replying to cval and the arguments that are made that somehow magically, Sanchez's completion percentage is different than everyone elses.
     
  16. JET'S_my_name

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    Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora
    Continue to hear a strong buzz about Chase Daniel. Teams think he'll get $3M-plus a year. Lot of clubs in a shallow QB market ...Of all the QB opportunities out there, most are strictly back-up gig, with the exception of the Jets, who seek real competition for Sanchez
     
  17. fozzi58

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    I agree. I think they should have seen if Testeverde or Favre was available.

    /sarcasm
     
  18. wildaces

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    How many interceptions?
     
  19. fozzi58

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    Sanchez sucks but Davis Garrard would not have thrown a 64.5% with the weapons Sanchez had last year. I'm not defending Nacho but Gesu Cristo, look at the facts.
     
  20. ArmandJ

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    If I recall correctly, Sanchez has never thrown above 60%.
     

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