CB Crisis! Who is available to play CB?

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  1. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    There are various forms of blitzes.

    Zone blitz schemes can allow you to send 5 and drop 6. This was pretty much what Lovie Smith does in regards to his defense back in Chicago.

    There are zone plays in which you can send the safety to the QB and there ones where the safety is required to be at the line or 5 yards down the field. Depends on the scheme of the play. It's more complex then your normal zone schemes.

    I think Rex needs to go back and look at the Giants in 07 and 11 - those teams barely had a secondary but the pass-rush was phenomenal.
     
  2. The Uniform Bomber

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    This definitely could be kryptonite. However, once teams enter the RZ or closer, I think this strategy becomes difficult because the field is so condensed, and therefore, spreading out the Defense with 4-5 WRs should be less effective because of the limited space.

    Is this a characteristic of the bend-don't-break strategy?
     
  3. abyzmul

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    I think the fact that there are people scoffing at the extremely rare opportunity of rolling existing cap space into future years just says a lot about the people scoffing.

    Yeah, there are contending teams that are throwing money at free agents this year, and there are also non contending teams doing it. The real contenders are doing it to get the most out of franchise quarterbacks.

    The non contending teams are fucking fooling themselves just like the Jets did a few years ago.

    The Jets, with or without Revis, or any of the "premier" corners that were available this season, are not realistic contenders without knowing exactly what they have in Geno. They have a killer young defensive line, a couple of solid to very good Olinemen, a promising RB unit, many questions at WR and TE, a LB corps that has just as many questions, and a mixed bag at safety.

    One highly paid corner wouldn't have solved anything.

    As far as the draft goes, Idzik is also a huge question mark. Should he have traded up for immediate impact players this year? Should he have taken a corner or receiver in round one or two? We'll find out soon, no matter the early returns that are coming in the form of I Told You So posts by people that think they are NFL scouts.

    And the draft 2013/2014 isn't the be all end all of Idzik no matter what twits want you to believe.

    Idzik is definitely an unproven commodity, and you can trash him all you want, but his job isn't easily judged based on a handful of YouTube videos and other teams' beat writer reports and preseason stats.
     
  4. RuJFan

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    I don't agree with this.
    I believe the plan is to keep likes of Payton to about 3 TD and likes of EJ to 2 TDs per game with hope that offense would to getting about 24 pts. This would keep Jets in most games.
    The expectation for O is still the same and so defense has to deliver. So to me it's not all about just one side, it's truly a team effort.
     
  5. RuJFan

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    So I take it getting back to original argument I made did you no good. So now you have to pick a sentence from my post and try to make fuss about it instead of talking about my actual topic.
    Figures.
     
  6. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    They come into the season with
    The rollover cap space is huge and I don't understand why everyone wants to use it all this year. Rolling over $20+ million to next year gives them the ability to sign Wilkerson and Kerley, along with some of our other guys while adding an impact player in free agency.

    The rollover between $21 million and $11 million is huge if they went all in and signed a ridiculous contract for a free agent corner.

    As you stated this team isn't in Superbowl mode just yet. This is a team that's built to get into the playoffs as a wild card if Geno Smith proves that he's the answer going forward. This is the year to evaluate if they move forward with Geno or go out and look to other replacements in the upcoming years.

    Everyone plays it off as if this is the Tannenbaum era where the team was built and ready to go try to get the Lombardi era. You don't waste all your cap space when you just endured two seasons where the Jets literally couldn't make any moves in free agency which lead to a subpar product and virtually no offensive weapons.

    Fans also scream about not trading up to go get another receiver or corner in round one while demeaning how difficult it really is to move up in the draft, especially in a year when the draft was deep. Look at what happened to the Falcons when they traded every draft asset they have to get Julio Jones and fell apart because there was no depth anywhere along the roster when they lost some key players.
     
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  7. NYJetsO12

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    Exactly right. Now more than ever the Jets have to keep their offense moving the chains and keep the D off. This can be done by using the running game and safe passes to Decker/Nelson/Kerley. In light of recent events on D, I think we can't fool around with Geno making any stupid mistakes. Vick's stock in running the O just rose IMO.
     
  8. JetLifeLo

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    Lets just hope we are clock eaters again this year. That would help the DBs a lot
     
  9. Jetsruby

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    I thought that one of the reasons the Defense was good, but not great last year was because of Offensive Time of Possession.

    When the offense goes 3 and out consistently, it tires out the defense and they mesh less. Guys in the secondary who have to run many down eventually tire out. (which could explain some secondary issues they had)

    That is another reason a Ground & Pound offense matches a stout defense. Rex has always wanted to run the ball more, but you can only do it if you have the right guys in the O line and HB positions.
     
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    Thanks for your comment. There is reason to hope and I am positive our revamped O might rescue the season. I still feel the team will make the playoffs. What bothers you about the O line and HB position?
     
  11. Jetsruby

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    Nothing this year really bothers me about O line and HB position. I believe this year they have the right guys.
     
  12. NYJETS4life24

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    Jets believe in Geno. Considering that geno was considered the top pick overall at one point, getting him in the second round was a steal
     
  13. Footballgod214

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    Some radio talking head was saying the Raiders have a brutal schedule and the worst part is flying cross country to face Rex Ryan's defense opening day. haha at least someone still believes in us!
     
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    The Raiders have a brutal schedule because they don't get to face the Raiders.
     
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    The Raiders have potential but a lot of new players (as usual). They are definitely boom or bust. I'm leaning bust because it takes time to build that chemistry, although I think Schaub will surprise some folks this year.
     
  16. Joe Willie White Shoes

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    This sums everything up perfectly. Close this whiny revisionist thread.
     
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    What were the alternatives? Let's let things play out before we get too pissed off. The Pats are all about Tom Brady. Let's see how he does before we lament the passing of Darrelle Revis.
     
  18. Big Blocker

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    First of all the Jets do not have anything like the pass rush those Giant teams had. But even the passing attack I referred to, for a team with the right talent, including a Qb who can make quick reads and has a quick release, that Giant D could be overcome as well.
     
  19. BrowningNagle

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    See, I disagree with a lot of this.

    One thing I always admired about Tannenbaum was the fact that he didn't sell the organization short. He wasn't thinking "well this team isn't winning the SB anyway so.." He put everything he had into building the best roster he could every season, at least from an outsiders view of course. There's no doubt in my mind if he was the general manager right now they'd be making a trade for a corner, for example. I admire that he couldn't,as general manager, see that an inferior product takes the field in the sake of saving $$. And he would be creative as possible with contracts to see to it. As a fan, that's what you like to see.

    I disagree about the rollover $$. I think it's very overrated. In this day and age contracts mean less and less. (Darrelle Revis signs a 6 year $96 Mill contract only to be released a year later.. one example) and players are always restructuring and players' deals are becoming almost exclusively team friendly now, and rookies can be had for cheap and the salary cap is ever growing. I personally think it's silly to sacrifice talent for a nest egg like Idzik is...

    Especially with this Jets roster. If they had a franchise QB that they needed to worry about re-upping, maybe yes it would make sense to stash a little so they don't have to worry about losing him. But they don't have that. Wilkerson is really the only guy to think about and he's under contract through 2015 anyway! By then anything can happen contract wise all over the roster. Anything can happen with Wilkerson the player for that matter. Kerley is a nice player but he's definitely not worth stashing money to extend, lets get real. He's the type of player you want and try to resign, but he's not a franchise cornerstone so if he walks, he walks. He's not getting big $$ anywhere anyway so my guess is they'd be able to extend him for quite a cheap deal.

    There is this big myth that Tannenbaum's philosophy was wrong. I don't think it was. Tannenbaum's problem was that he started missing too much on talent evaluation - scouting. Guys like Sanchez, Greene, Stephen Hill, Holmes etc. let him down. Think about if Sanchez played like a solid QB and Stephen Hill was the receiver we all thought he was (just 2 of those guys). The "cap troubles" of the last two seasons wouldn't have been a big deal at all...

    I'm not saying he shouldn't have been fired. There's a consequence for missing on draft picks. But his philosophy that the best players usually come at the top of the draft and that you should always put the best team on the field you can - and worry less about the cap, by being creative, is the right one.. IMO. (and it almost got Tannenbaum a SB title btw, on more than a couple occasions)

    I don't think the philosophy of loading up on lower round draft picks, hoping they pan out, placing too much emphasis on cap space and sacrificing the present is the best way to win. Maybe I have Idzik all wrong, but it kind of seems like that is his philosophy.

    As for your Atlanta example - I don't think it holds water. Last year was the exception, not the norm and Julio Jones was hurt. They sacrificed some depth at the bottom of the roster to pair up one of the best WRs in the game with their franchise QB.. I'll take that anytime. They will bounce back and will always be tough to beat because they have Julio Jones..
     
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    Fair point about the red zone, but the risks of all out blitzes go up there as well, imo.
     

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