I think you're the one missing the point. Signing a top corner free agent at let's day $12 million a year which is what a lot of them got in terms of cap hit coupled with $10+ million in money for Mo and suddenly we're in cap hell again. This isn't a one play away from a super bowl team that can afford to overpay a guy in his late 20s. It's a youth movement. You don't overpay for a luxury position like corner because it was really overpay a guy that doesn't deserve the money and is really a mid level player or bring in a bunch of guys and make the strength of the team the box and the safeties. Watch how badly DRC gets abused this year then come let me know how much of that $50+ million much of which is guaranteed til the end of the deal he is actually worth. There's four corners in all of football you give those deals too. Not any free agent corner because the market is high and the leagues overreacting to Seattle's defense. I referenced it befor.. The buccaneers win the super bowl and we see 4 defensive tackles go in the top 12 because of an overreaction to Warren Sapp and up the middle pressure. Same type of deal.
Obviously it's his job and he can do it however he likes, who the hell would say it's not his job? The point is that just because he's doing something doesn't mean he's doing a good job. Every GM has the right to build their team the way they want but there are still 20 teams that miss the playoffs each year. There are still teams that having glaring needs in certain positions. Still teams that make poor draft choices. I'm not saying I know for a fact that my way is 100% correct and his approach is 100% wrong but as a fan of this team I believe I am entitled to my opinion and in my opinion not addressing the glaring area of need that is/was CB was a mistake. It's a mistake that is going to cost us yards, points and games this year and it's a mistake that going to cost us money and/or draft picks next year. I don't think pointing out that fact makes me a terrible Jets fan or a FO hater. If you are of the opinion that bringing in Patterson to replace Cro and drafting Dex who was coming off missing his last season is adequte in addressing that position then that's your opinion and that's fine...it doesn't really hold weight in front of logic, statistics and facts but, hey, we don't have to agree on everything. I guess we'll see then. We were among the league's worst last year and appear to have declined so not sure why you seem to believe they will improve but maybe Pryor (again, a pick I liked) will have a DROY season or some CB will have a breakout season and we'll be golden. I hope that's the case, I'm just not holding my breath. If you would like to, though, feel free.
At this point we really need to pray Millner can stay healthy all year and play at a high level while doing so
Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. The cap increases each year, players get cut, players restructure, rookies are cheap for a number of years and as you noted we're in a youth movement. I don't think it's as bad as you are making it out to be. I don't think you go from being $20mil+ in cap surplus to being in "cap hell" with one signing. Plus there is value outside of just the cap hit. As noted if we locked up our CB position for years to come then we can focus more on other areas of need with draft picks which makes us a better team all over the field. Maybe DRC isn't worth every penny of his deal but I wonder how badly we'll be begging for someone of his caliber when were up against the likes of the Packers, Bears, Lions (well, Megatron), Broncos, Pats, etc.
You are being illogical here. How would signing a CB in free agency have prevented any of the moves the FO made on O this off season? As was pointe out to you, if you want to argue the cap, that's one thing. But it was not an either/or choice here.
Barcs, I sometimes find myself in agreement with you, but these whiny posts complaining about posters who raise simple and obvious questions are rather silly. Are you suggesting that posting here should simply be an exercise in being homeristic?
the bolded part certainly seemed to be what Vilma was saying, and yes it is not accurate. Roster moves vis a vis the cap next year will involve a bunch of moving parts in any event. It is not a simple question about what to do with Wilkerson if an FA Cb had been signed. There will be issues with a number of other players, some of whom will be either let go or restructured.
I'm being illogical? Wow... Let's see... Idzik wanted to add 2 CBs to the roster. I KNOW that because that's how many CBs he actually added -- McD and Dixon. You are operating under assumption that if he got a FA CB, he would still have added two more in the draft. This is revisionist because while he COULD do it, we KNOW he only wanted 2, not 3. Specifically, he wanted those 2 he drafted. Even if Idzik did exactly as you wanted and added 2 CBs of your choice, with the injury we'd still be short on depth. Hence, your whole argument is predicated on foreseeing injury and getting extra CB.
Dee Millner is made of glass and was an awful selection...If we didnt get Richardson with the Revis pick last years first round was a horror show
He did add a FA corner......Patterson, while still drafting 2 more. So not sure what point u r trying to make The problem here is that it was not a good FA signing. Patterson not worth 3M and shouldn't be a starter. I think mcdougle would have started this season so it's not like idzik did nothing. But with mcdougle out and milliners status up in the air, we find ourselves with no starters. A better FA signing would have put us in a better position to withstand these injuries (although the injuries would suck no matter what)
[quote="BleedGreen89, post: 3035754, member: 20014]millner is made of glass and was an awful selection...If we didnt get Richardson with the Revis pick last years first round was a horror show[/quote] Yea just look at all the games he missed over his college career
Is it though? I understand the moving parts theory of players getting cut and let go next year but factor in $4-6 million for Kerley, $10+ for Mo, and $10+ for an overpaid corner and we're in the negative for cap room. Not to mention you have David Harris, Colon, Dawn Landry, Powell, Kyle Wilson, David Nelson, and Kenrick Ellis to name a few as free agents next year. While they're not all pro - bowlers they're certainly not vet minimum guys and from a depth perception are not all guys that you want to let go.
This^^^. Everyone's just butt hurt because we didn't overpay and give a mid level corner a superstar contract in hopes of saving salary over the next 5 years for players that actually deserve big pay days.
You've lost track of your own argument. I quoted your ridiculous assertion that those complaining here about the situation at corner would have been complaining about not paying attention to the Offense if the Jets had gotten another or different FA Cb than Patterson, and also drafted a Cb. The point I made in response is right there in the post you quoted. So try and answer this again: "How would signing a CB in free agency have prevented any of the moves the FO made on O this off season?" To clarify, of course I meant other than or in addition to Patterson.
So, you don't care that the Jet secondary is likely to get shredded this coming season because they appear to be undermanned?
[quote legler82, post: 3035787, member: 5394"]Conversely, your butt is delighted we signed Patterson?[/quote] In a vacuum,no.but going on the premise that idzic had a dollar amount he was willing to spend and wasn't going over, I am glad he spent more on the better wr rather than blowing it on a cb and signing say a james Jones. If that makes sense And I don't know why my quotes are getting screwed up today
Why don't you go back to the beginning of my conversation and check what exactly we were talking about instead of butting in the middle of it and get all holier than thou all-knowing maha rashi? Let's see who lost track of what here, because I think you never were anywhere near the fucking track.
