I am in full agreement with you and if Mike Floyd was not in the draft, I would be Anti-WR too but I think Floyd is a top 10 talent and is a gamebreaker. He was on par with Julio Jones and AJ Green when they all debuted in college in 2008. He can have that type of an impact on a team, I had him right below Green and right above Jones in college. Both Green and Jones went in the top 7 if I recall...... If Floyd slides to 16, its highway robbery. He and unless Blackmon somehow falls, are the lone WRs worthy of being picked by us at 16.
While I agree with you about Floyd being big-time talent, does it necessarily mean that he'd be the best value or BPA at 16 (as the first 15 picks unravel)? In other words, Floyd might be available, but maybe another player of similar value, who fills a more significant need, could also be available at 16 (along with Floyd), in which case, choosing Floyd wouldn't really be a no-brainer.
so upshaws a good pass rusher that can only play end? isnt that what this team needs? wilkerson and deveto dont ever get sacks. we were screwed when ellis went to new england and rex tried to replace him with a fatter dude with the same last name! all my friends and other jets fans are always asking for a pass rush. this guy can do it unlike pouha, wilkerson who was a waste of a first rounder two years in a row!, and deveto. dont see why people are complaining that he can only play end. this team needs better pass rushing ends. plain and simple.
That's a pretty sobering analysis on Upshaw, who many thought would be picked in the top half of the draft. I see many mocks having him go to the Jets, but based on what's been said in this thread, I think the Jets should pass. The purpose of my post is to draw a comparison to another well thought of college LB who was even slower, Brandon Spikes (5.0 forty, but a decent cone time). That time caused him to drop into the bottom of the 2nd round to the Pats. Last season proved that the Pats defense was much better with him than without him. He is a monster against the run, and showed much better than expected instincts in the pass game, though he's not the LB you'd keep out there on 3rd and long. To that end, the Pats got a decent value out of him in the late 2nd round. The point to all this is to say that Upshaw could be a very good NFL player in the end. Just not one who is worth the 16th pick in the draft. BTW- here's a novel thought for Jet fans. Given that the Jets aren't going to get much help in the FA market this season. If Trent Richardson isn't there at 16, why not trade down into the early to mid 20's and pick up some extra picks in the middle rounds. Go out and have 12 or 13 picks and hope that a couple of them turn out to be players. Go have a draft where you pick up 7 or 8 guys who end up contributing. The guy you get at say 24 is going to have a very similar grade to the one at 16, so why not. If a guy like Richardson doesn't slide down to the Jets, I think it would be better for the Jets to trade down. JMHO
It just hurts to read this. Please read up on what a 3-4 defense is. Upshaw isn't playing end for us he'd play OLB. Kendrick Ellis is supposed to play NT. Wilkerson in his rookie year also had a pretty good season.
Yea I think I'm one of the few who like Floyd as well at 16. But if he doesn't fall to 16 and neither does anyone else who was projected higher then Im all for trading down to the 20s. Im not too high on Upshaw anymore and don't want Mark Barron.
You act as if you are the first person to suggest this on this forum. It's easy to say "TRADE DOWN" but a lot more difficult to find a trade partner willing to give up good value.
words don't even... oh just plain wow... despite the 3-4 end issues, and your overall lack of knowledge of the defense... Wilkerson was one of the top 10 3-4 DE's in football last year. He was 2nd amongst rookies (J.J. Watt) and 5th overall in the NFL in tackles for loss. As a rookie. The kid is going to be a stud for us here in NY.
At this point, I'm thinking Ingram or trade down for Hightower. Upshaw's lack of explosiveness is something that concerns me. I'm not saying I'd mind the pick, because I think he's a heady, strong football player, but I'd prefer a guy with a higher ceiling. -X-
Hightower looks really good. The only red flag is the ACL/MCL/meniscus surgery in 2009 and how Hightower modified his aggressive play after that. Obviously he was being careful not to destroy his career before it got started at the pro level and he still looked really good in the middle for Alabama. The question is: with a somewhat limited rookie contract will he be holding back a bit in the pros as well to increase his chances of getting the huge contract in 4 years?
I agree with this also. At first I really liked Upshaw, but his lack of explosiveness and his tightness in his hips is starting to be too much. I am praying one of Ingram, Richardson or even DeCastro are there. I would be okay with Floyd as well... But if none of them are there, I would advocate trading down and trying to get one of Hightower, Mercilus or Upshaw then. Behind Ingram, I might even rather Hightower as our second option for OLB.
Upshaw looked very sub par and needs to show up at his pro day, which I feel he will. Don't catch the combine bug people, just because someone runs a 4.4 or has high rep numbers doesnt mean they can play effectively in the NFL. It's amazing how one off day turns a top 10 prospect into a sour note by our fanbase.
Agreed. I'm no expert on analyzing players at the combine, but I watched all the linebacker drills, and it wasn't for the name on his jersey, I would never of thought of him as anything more than an average LB. I came away really disappointed with his showing, and agree with Casserly's statement. One guy who did pop out at me was Sean Spence from Miami.
Spence is a baller, hes undersized but can play very effectively in either a 3-4 or 4-3, he's a perfect for a team that needs a solid run stopper and coverage guy. He really improved his stock this week.
Spence was a definitely a baller at the collegiate level, but he seems like an NFL tweaner to me. 5'11" 231 lbs. He really has no position. Too small for LB and too slow for S. And 12 reps at 225 lbs? WTF was that?
The Deadbolt comment could go down in history. Lmfao. As far as Upshaw, been saying it for ages he is overrated. Nick Saban is a SYSTEM COACH, and in 15 years of having the best of the best collegiate defenses he has yet to put out a single elite NFL 3-4 OLB, NT, or end. Not one. Does this mean Upshaw is doomed to failure? No. What it means is that kids from that system always look much better than thy are. Spence is a classic guy from the U who will get drafted late round and then be a name in the NFL for years. He is alarmingly small though, so maybe he won't light the league on fire like every other Hurricane does.
