That is absolutely not true. Carr is not guaranteed to go to another team. Its likely that it may happen but it is equally likely that he's a backup. The Texans know they won't get anything of value for him, probably not even a 7th round pick or another player, so they'll hold onto him since they're paying for it and he'll be a cap casualty next year. Also, he's insurance. Schaub has rarely started games and played the entire time so they don't know if he's capable of doing it. Don't jump up and down screaming "lets get Carr" because we don't need him. Just keep in mind that Daunte Culpepper was worth a fourth round pick the next time you say Carr can get traded for the value of a 4th. This was a great move for both teams. The Falcons clean up on draft picks which has the draftniks going crazy and the Texans finally get a QB that they can groom. If they're smart, they'll beef up their OLine and get a blocking tight end and fullback to protect him.
I cant read these David Carr threads anymore. Can we move this to the NFL board? David Carr is so bad it is embarassing that anyone would even suggest we bring this absolute bum in. Mangini and Tannembaum would NEVER, EVER EVER even consider bring in this absolute joke of an NFL quarterback. Stop the David Carr insanity. We are blessed to have CP as our qb. Dont you guys realize that?
The Texans will get a lot for Carr when he goes, probably more than the Jets can afford to pay unfortunately. The man completed 68.3 percent of his passes last year. That was the 3rd season in a row he's been above 60%. His level of play has been consistently good considering the horrible talent assortment the Texans have featured on offense. And he's definitely going to wind up somewhere else. The Houston media and fans have decided that the Texan's failures should be laid at his feet. This despite the typically sloppy management and coaching that the Texans have displayed for virtually their entire existence. About midway through next season, when the Texans are 2-6 and Matt Schaub is showing everybody that the QB is only as good as the players around him there will be a collective "ohmigod" moment in Houston as everybody realizes that Carr wasn't the problem. Hopefully Carr will not be playing lights out someplace like Miami or Philly at that point and providing a poignant counterpoint to the moment.
There's no way the Jets will think about making a move for him. There's no real reason too. We have a better QB now, and we have Clemens who we used a 2nd round pick on. It's absolutely ridiculous how so many people are down on Clemens. I don't understand it. As for Carr, he's a decent player. And he's very talented, but he's been a starting QB for 5 years. How much better is he going to get? He hasn't been in a great situation, but eventually if your a guy who is capable of being an elite QB who can carry a team, you are going to do it. His time is running out. He's capable of starting for someone, so for a team with a big need at QB he'd be a good pickup. If he was available last year I think he would be a good pickup for us. But I see no reason for the Jets to go after him.
it makes me sick why everyone gives shit to Carr, does it come across that he played practically under the worst OL in the league. His top receiver was in the top 10 in receveing yards. Watch this guy go somewhere else with a good OL and becoming a playoff team
I'd rather have Carr as our backup then Clemens. At least Carr has played a half of football that mattered. Not that I've given up on Clemens, but I don't trust him enough to take over at a point in the season that might mean something.
I laughed out loud at this post. Why is Carr so bad? I'd rather have Carr behind our line than CP. I think he's by far the better talent, he's accurate, he's got the bigger arm, and he's more mobile...plus he's 3/4 years younger.
Another bonehead move by the Texans...giving up the equivalent of three second round picks for an unproven backup QB is retarded, just the kind of thing Houston is known for. Atlanta got a steal for a guy they were about to lose in a year anyway. I still think that Moss for Carr is in the best interest of both Oakland and Houston...I mean moss and johnson is a killer 1-2...all schaub has to do is loft the ball. And oakland gets a bona-fide QB and rid of their headache.
Ryan Leaf is more talented than Pennington too. Not comparing Leaf and Carr, Carr is a decent player, and he has had some personal success in this league. Just saying, talent isn't everything.
This is true, I like Carr, but at this point he's experienced so much trauma in that situation...whereas the times when Pennington has been healthy, we've reached the playoffs.
Why would the jets ever look at carr? We've got chad and clemens. They will compete in camp for the start. Clemens is our future, we don't need another QB.
David Carr is living proof of the fact that football is a team sport. If you look at the game logs of the games that he has QB'd for the Texans you realize pretty quickly how bad that team really is. Then you look at the individual games that Carr has contributed over the last 3 years (in losses) and you realize how good he is. He completed 66.7 percent of his passes for 208 yards and no turnovers against Philly in the opener last year, and lost 24-10 because other than Andre Johnson, Eric Moulds and Demeco Ryans nobody else played well. He completed 84.5 percent of his passes in game two against the Colts, a pretty good pass defending team, while playing catch up the whole game against Peyton Manning and threw for 3 TD's and no Int's and lost 43-24. Why? Because the Texans (minus Carr, Johnson and a few others) suck. Week 3? 95.5 percent completion percentage in a loss to Washington with 1 pick. That's 3 weeks, 5 TD's and 1 pick and 3 losses. BTW, he's on pace at this point for 30 TD's and 6 Int's and the Texans cannot win a game... Their defense has now given up 98 points in 3 games, but I guess that's Carr's fault? Week 4 Miami comes into town desparate for a win off of a horrible start. Carr is under terrible pressure because somehow it's his fault that the Texan's defense just blows chunks, as it has for a couple of seasons. Carr goes 22 for 29 for 230 yards and the Texans upset the Fish. That's 4 games in a row that Carr has played at a very high level (and the idiot columnists in Houston will tell you that he never plays well for more than a couple of games in a row...) and the Texans have 1 win to show for it. Because most of the rest of the team could not win in the CFL. Ok, so the Texans go into their bye week with the press already sniping at Carr and doing a lot of projecting of Brady Quinn as the guy next year. Carr's teammates are shrugging just glad that nobody is calling THEM out on their sorry play so far and Gary Kubiak is tearing his hair out because the Texans, having signed several high priced free agents and drafted #1, were supposed to be better than this. They've allowed 113 points in 4 games and things are about to get worse. Kubiak has no time to defend Carr because he's about to go cross-state to Dallas and even though a win is unlikely a loss is going to be killer for him, Carr and the team. In Dallas after the bye Carr has what will turn out to be his second worst game of the season. Bill Parcells, seeing the Texans incredibly weak rushing attack goes with 5 defensive backs for a lot of the game and nothing is open anywhere. The Texans still can't rush for anything and by the 3rd quarter Kubiak has taken Carr out and put Sage Rosenfels in to finish out the 34-6 loss. The Houston press is livid and blames Carr for a humiliating loss. This despite the fact that Houston now has allowed 147 points in 5 games and it's clear that the defense is as bad as it's ever been. Kubiak knows Carr is his best QB and shrugs off the media all week when they try to lay the loss at Carr's feet. It's not like Kubiak can call out his defense though. Not and keep the team focussed on the season. Game 6 is Jacksonville coming in on a roll. They've just destroyed the Jets 41-0, making Chad Pennington look completely ineffectual in the loss. Going into Houston they figure they're going to eat Carr alive and get another leg up on a playoff spot. Carr goes 25 for 34 for 224 yards 2 TDs and no picks and leads the Texans to their most convincing win of the year 27-7. Carr has now played lights out in 5 out of 6 games, but the Texans are 2-4 and it's all his fault. This is why the Texans are and will remain a bad tean for the forseeable future, they have no clue as to what is working for them and what is not at any given point in time. Kind of like the Jets during the 70's only worse. The media in Houston is now openly calling for Carr's head because even though he's playing well the team is still losing. Gotta be his fault right? Later on in the season the Texans will lose games in which Carr completes 83% of his passes (for 7.4 yards a pass) to Buffalo, in which he completes 39 of 54 passes against the Jets and in which he completes 73.9% against Tennessee. Those are all his fault too despite the fact that the defense allows 76 points in the 3 games. Finally near the end of the season Carr beats the Colts for the first time ever completing 69.6% of his passes for a TD and no Int's. He gets some help out of a career rushing day from Ron Dayne who goes for 153 yards on 32 carries. It's a very poignant glimpse at what might have been if the Texans had had more talent back there with Carr on a regular basis. But it's all over for him in Houston. Even beating Peyton Manning in a day when Manning throws for 3 TDs and no Ints and Joseph Addai rushes for 100 yards is not enough to save him. Because it's all his fault. The Texans whole horrible 5 year nightmare can be laid at the feet of one man. There are two things that I think about David Carr and the Texans. The first is that I think David Carr is going to win a Super Bowl someday, but not with the Texans. The second is, and I don't think this - I know it, the Texans once again will be one of the most miserable teams in football next season. Because they won't have David Carr at QB and they have no hope that anybody they put back there will be better than he's been for them.
I hope Carr lands in Miami.... Just for the fact to get Miami out of the Brady Quinn sweepstakes. Talk about a monster QB...thats him. But in all honesty, I wouldent be shocked if Carr signs/traded with the Chiefs. Oakland works too, but Carr again wouldent get a fair shot.
i dont' care how bad Carr's offensive line was he still sucks; ours wasn't great either and chad could still win games
Yes, but can you tell me what exactly Carr is doing wrong that makes him a "horrible" QB. Most of his flaws as a QB come from 5 years of a franchise ignoring that you NEED an offensive line to have any kind of success on offense. And Br4dw4y5ux thank you for good, logical posts. I seriously want to put this on like every Carr thread possible. Its well written, proves its point convincingly, and its actually not boring.
Fair enough, but the media isn't the one making the decision here. I'm sure Gary Kubiak has weighed in heavily on this, and no offense, but I'll trust his opinion over yours. I really don't understand the man love for Carr, even though you do point out some interesting stats. As for beating the Colts, I think Brooks Bollinger would have been able to lead the Texans to a win in a game where Ron Dayne rushed for 150+ yards. Yes the Texans suck sweaty monkey ass, we all get it.
1. I wouldn't mind having him, but I still am not convinced whether he has the kind of intangibles - say, the "leadership" quality that we are used to, like the stuff Chad brings to the huddle play in and play out. If he can lead his offense with authority and confidence, well, why not. 2. Two examples from the argument stick out: Exhibit a. Jacksonville is never a good road team. They have sucked on the road for years, and they just found the right time to stink up their ass when they fucked up at Houston. Not necessarily Houston was that much better team, much less Carr was that much better QB that day. Exhibit b. Colts? You've gotta be shitting me. The world knows Colts couldn't stop the run. I mean, as porous and sorry OL as Houston's OL is, they could just bully the puny Colts defense all day. Colts pass D just couldn't concentrate on defending the pass, since the rush was so effective and the Colts line was getting eaten alive. It was more of colts D incapable of defending run than Carr having a career day. 3. While I do agree that it can't be all Carr's fault, I still think he is to blame to a degree. I still think he shows the kind of traits that any losing QB shows - like panicking under pressure, throwing erratic pass in a dire situation, etc etc. Can that be corrected? I wouldn't want to bet on it, but I honestly think it is curable.
maybe, just maybe for a 6th round pick so we could have him as our 3rd string QB to push Kellen Clemens and make him improve
I'm not sure why everyone assumes the guy would be our third stringer. Our current second string QB has just a little more regular season experience then I do. Still trying to figure out why this does not bother anyone.
