CAP and Trade issues

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  1. VanderbiltJets

    VanderbiltJets Active Member

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    Cap genius today, cap idiot tomorrow (no sarcasm)
     
  2. NewYorkEveryThing

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    Whatever, man. I was just say is bring in someone who can get us back on track with talent.
     
  3. VanderbiltJets

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    IMO we need to ignore "talent" via FA and trades for at least the next year in order to build a championship-caliber team.
     
  4. displacedfan

    displacedfan Well-Known Member

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    Yep and by doing this next year, we are probably forfeiting next year and getting a new QB. Most people don't want to lose next year, but most likely we will unless something random happens
     
  5. Jets n Boys

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    If u don't know what a guaranteed contract means, please don't comment about it.

    Jets guaranteed the base pay. If Sanchez gets traded, his base pay gets traded also. So the next team pays the base. Same with Santonio. He'll double dip only if he gets cut n signs elsewhere, nit when traded.
     
  6. mj2sexay

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    I actually got really pissed during LaCanfago's diatribe on CBS. Anyone that really wants to get in depth in terms of the dollars and cents with this team knows that the two Smith's, Scott and Pace alone account for around 30 million dollars in cap savings taking the Jets number from 142 to 112 million. Harris has a huge cap number that hopefully can be restructured with creative accounting as the Jets have some leverage with a 4 million dollar savings if he's cut (restructuring seems to be a tool that exists for everyone else but us when talking about these matters).

    Assuming the Jets get the number down to 112, even if the cap doesn't move up from 120 million, that's 8 mil to re-sign Landry, and bring in Bell and Moore's replacements on the cheap. It is a desirable cap situation? Hell no, but I wouldn't call it "cap hell". But unfortunately with 2013 looking like a lame-duck year anyway, or at the very least the final chance for Mark and possibly Rex, 2014 is THE perfect spot that the Jets are either going to continue on as they're back to relevance, or blow the fucking entire thing up and at the very least have a top 5 pick and a shitload of cap-space.
     
  7. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    Keep drinking that green-and-white koolaid.

    Restructuring usually involves 1. up-front bonus guarantee and 2. backloading the money. Not a good call. I'd rather live with one spike year than live with years of mediocrity.

    And Jets are headed for cap hell in 2013. Read what others have said and think hard about it yourself. Jets have leeway of some 35M to sign about 20+ players. You can get fringe players with that.
     
  8. RochesterJet

    RochesterJet Well-Known Member

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    but you have to replace these guys with "servicable" players. Add in some are starters, and we will be right back in a tight cap. Bad contracts take a while to clean up; especially when we have more bad ones on the books PAST next year!
     
  9. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Here's the problem: you're looking at nyjetscap and you're seeing some numbers that aren't really normal. The site is being absolutely aboveboard about the situation. They're doing nothing to confuse or obfuscate but the Jets are in a really bad state right now.

    At the bottom of the page for the Jets 2013 cap numbers you're seeing: total Cap Value $142M, Top 51 players is the header for that line that the total is on.

    The Jets only have 40 players under contract on that page.

    Read that again, go and count the names.

    The Jets only have 40 players under contract on that page.

    So when they cut the 31.5M from the cap by getting rid of Smith, Scott, Pace and Smith they do indeed take the cap number down to 110.5M. For 36 players under contract.

    Do you understand the problem now?
     
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  10. mj2sexay

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    Cap hell as Brad said is when you have to cut good players in order to get under. Cap hell is when you HAVE to get rid of Aaron Glenn because even though you don't want to, his number is too prohibitive. And there are other ways to restructure, including having the player flat out take a cut. As much as losing 2 million off the top may suck, the fact is if David Harris hits the market he isn't getting 10 million next year or 8 million per over a big contract, so again, the Jets do have leverage in his situation.

    What kool-aid? I flat-out said 2013 could shape up to be a lame duck season. It's literally the determining factor that should save Rex's job. Any new coach is hamstrung and can't make changes. May as well see if the fat man can right the ship, or sink with it. Sanchez and Tone aren't going anywhere in 2013 because of the guaranteed dollars. This team can't press the reset button on a lot of key positions until 2014.
     
  11. Cellar-door

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    Besides the fact that you ignore having to sign a lot more than just Landry, Bell and Moore replacements (need probably 12 players not counting draftees),
    What makes you think they have leverage on Harris? He gets 9 million if cut costing him 4M this year and 7M next, However even with his star on the decline he'd likely make that up by getting to sign a new long term deal at age 28 instead of 30, and in a weak MLB market, just Urlacher (6 years older) and Maualuga (not as good). Nice spot for him to pick up a nice 4 year 20-25M deal.
     
  12. supersonic

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    We will give you Sanchez and pay him 5M to play for you. LOL!!
     
  13. Professor Frink

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    Harris still has $9.5M guaranteed coming his way. He's the one with leverage, not the other way around.
     
  14. Poeman

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    The team is salivating at the prospects of cutting Jason Smith and Bart Scott haha
     
  15. 1968jetsfan

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    Actaully according to the site the Jets have 95 Million in cap for 23 players in 2014. The only way out that I see is to do a whole sale house cleaning and starting over. The Jets sold themselves down the river for an ill concieved shot in 2010.
     
  16. 1968jetsfan

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    Which really makes it a good time to trade him, the cap hit for trading him is pretty small...comparatively speaking anyways.
     
  17. Br4d

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    The 2014 numbers include 13.1M for Sanchez of which the Jets can recover 8.3M with a cut. 10.75M for Holmes of which the Jets can recover 8.25M assuming they have not traded him by then. 8M for Bart Scott who will be long gone by then. They could also cut Cromartie and recover 9.5M on the cap.

    2014 doesn't look nearly as bad as 2012 did or 2013 does.

    Figure the Jets let Sanchez go and Scott is gone. That's down to 79M right there. They cut Holmes if they can't trade him and they are at 71M. That's manageable.

    The issue is they need to find a lot of good players between now and then or the cap space isn't going to be worth much to them.
     

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