the players have been tanking for awhile now. I don't see whats wrong with wanting them to lose, they aren't playing hard anyway
Tanking doesn't affect bad teams much good teams draft well and play well bad teams pick top 3 every year and still suck AKA Jax Browns etc ... Oakland got their guy in the late first as did the Vikings ... it comes down to picking the right guy no matter where you choose rooting for your team to lose doesn't make sense to me
Wrong. One can't always trade up or get the players they want if they aren't in the right spot in the draft.
Total and utter BS. If you don't think teams tank, or that players tank, coast or quit on coaches then you've NEVER watched the NFL. You're also totally wrong about the people screaming for heads are only here when the Jets lose. Most of us are here every day. Conversely, I haven't seen many posts from you. The one point with which I agree is firing a GM after two seasons, with the caveat that if he has proven himself as incompetent, as Idzik clearly did, then you do cut your losses and move on. Idzik should never have been hired in the first place. If he was allowed to stay another season or two, it would have taken the Jets 20 years to recover from his stupid decisions and blown draft picks. He did quite enough damage in 2 seasons. Anyone that can't see that is blind and brain dead.
I have not posted because of all the whiners. Fire Bowles, fire fitz, fire everybody and I have a job. Bowles is good coach that was still trying to win with Fitz. Whining after each loss is stupid. The funny part is the people telling the coach to tank are the same ones that will say look at his record he needs to be fired.
Wanting them to lose does not help the team. If players are tanking and giving up we have a much bigger problem that draft position will not fix.
There are going to be times when you feel like this. The Jets will test you that way. That comes with the territory, but you've got to be strong. Now go back to your man-cave, get some rest, heal up, and come back stronger than ever on Sunday!
I doubt if a HC ever goes to his players and asks or orders them to tank. Some players tank because they don't really care about football or winning anyway. They're just playing for the money and fame. Others tank because they're frustrated with how the team is being run or how certain players are allowed to sabotage the efforts of the rest of the team (like Fitz). If I was a Jets defender and Bowles kept trotting Fitz out there every week, I would have either "accidentally" injured Fitz in practice, kicked Bowles' ass, or started taking plays off, missing tackles, and probably tanked too in an effort to get Bowles fired. Players don't have a lot of other recourse. For your ideal team, you definitely want players who bust their gut to win, hate losing and never give up. There's a difference however, in how you want players to think and how fans can think, or even how the FO can think. In a situation where a team has no QB and they've lost a ton of games in a season anyway, and have for years, it's a no-brainer to tank towards the end of that season where there's a can't miss prospect at QB and your team is already sitting there with the #1 pick. Winning then would be absolutely stupid. While the players may be still busting their butts, the HC and coordinators can decide to get young players some experience or create their game plans to subtly sabotage their chances of winning. The play calling can get mysteriously bad. Game plans can be bad with no adjustment. A fan wanting them to lose neither helps nor hurts the team, nor does it affect it in any real way.
Oh I see. You're one of those "guys" who when someone voices a legit complaint, they're "whining." Guys like you should have died out with dinosaurs. You're neanderthals.
Wanting them to lose or win has no effect on the team, apparently unless you start buying billboards and your owner is a wriggling mole rat. Teams do what they do regardless of fan wants. That's why I don't really make a big deal about people going the team tanks, although I do like to make fun of them for it on occasion. Everybody is a fan in their own way. I do take exception when a douche like Stokes tries to mass-shame a cross section of fans for enjoying a win, though. Fuck that midget.
Sure you can. With the exception of Andrew Luck, which player really has been unattainable in the last ten years? And even in the Luck draft - picks #2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 were all traded for, starting with RG3. Even us - we drafted Mark Sanchez with a draft-day trade pick from KC. This year the top QBs were _all_ available - picks #1 and #2 were both traded, we could have had any QB in the draft we wanted. 2015 was one of the very few years when no pick in the top 15 was traded; this is the exception, not the rule. If you want somebody, the odds are that you can go get them. Why suck on the off chance that a guy you might want might not be available? I'd rather build a winning culture with players and coaches.
Tampa & Tennessee didn't really tank, they were just bad. The only team that really tanked by dumping _all_ of its talent was Indy. There's always a worst team in the league drafting at #1, they all don't tank. Although the Browns seem to be making a go of tanking this year; do we really want to be them?
Indianapolis is completely devoid of talent too. They hoped Andrew Luck would be able to hide all those deficiencies, but combine a bad offensive line with a guy who doesn't have Peyton Manning's lightning quick release and you have a bad formula for your $30 million/year quarterback to take an absolute beating. You're right, though. Most all draftees are attainable if you're willing to pay the price. There's really not a player in this years draft that anyone would give up the farm for, outside of Myles Garrett. I can't see us trading our whole draft for an edge rusher either, given the lack of talent & youth along the offensive line and secondary.
You've been very adamant about taking for a while, using Tampa and Tennessee as your examples. But that crap above is unconvincing. You'd probably be more convincing if you actually went through the effort of providing a time table of actions that describes the tanking, since you're so convinced by it.
I really don't think NFL teams tank. As snoop alluded to, the Colts are the only team whom really did so. This isn't the NBA. An entire squad giving a half effort in order to try to lose would result in a lot of injuries and they'd cost themselves millions of dollars as contracts are far from guaranteed. Idzik tore the franchise down and put them in the correct position to rebuild. His drafting was horrible, but he really set himself up for a four year rebuild. He would've had to spend the same amount of money Maccagnan did. Idzik sucked at drafting. Maccagnan seems to suck at handing out big contracts. Cromartie - cut Revis - declining skills, likely cut Gilchrist - done for the season, likely cut David Harris - declining skills, likely cut if not restructured to veteran minimum Carpenter - already restructure to reduce cap hit Skrine - $7 million/year to your slot corner? Cmon now Fitzpatrick - traded 6th round pick, handed $12 million, gone Muhammad Wilkerson - $86 million/$37 million guaranteed. Currently making $4 million per sack this year thus far. His cap hit jumps to $18 million w/ two other first round picks making less money/giving more effort on the roster. Ryan Clady - traded 5th & swapped 7th, likely gone Nick Folk - $3 million/year. Tied for 8th highest paid kicker in the league Rip on Idzik all you want, but Maccagnan absolutely destroyed our cap situation. He better have a set of balls to resurrect it this offseason by cutting most of the old garbage on the roster. If he keeps Revis/Harris/Clady/Gilchrist at their current numbers we should all rightfully be furious.
Tanking is a terrible philosophy. It destroys your team and any hope you have of building a winning culture. And what's the pay off? That you get THAT one guy who is going to change your franchise. That's a laugh. You're talking to a lifelong Blazer fan here. Sell that somewhere else. It's the biggest pipe dream in the world. If your GM is a moron it doesn't matter. If your owner is a meddling hack.... you'll waste the one chance you have to make any difference. A great organization does a million little things right to put itself in a position to win, not put itself in a position to fail. Failure breeds failure at every level. The Jets need competent structure first.
The NBA seems to be the only sport where it can work, yet you look at the 76ers who put together a 3 year tanking plan and they ended up with no back court, a small forward who can't shoot and a center/power forward combination that has only played 15 games together. You're right. It doesn't work at any level really in any sport. Build a winning culture. NFL players will get hurt and cost themselves millions by 'tanking' with four games left in the season. I can get maybe not going balls to the wall in the second half of the 16th game with huge draft implications riding on it. But you can't purposefully lose games in this sport the last 5 games of the season. It's a terrible philosophy, and sets up a culture where losing is OK.
