Edwards had his backchannel open to Carl Peterson long before he engineered his way out of New York. Groh wanted to go back to college after his team quit on him down the stretch. Woody still has to get his PSL's sold so firing Mangini might result in a few more receipts in the till. That's just good business. Up until now, Woody's MO has been to "fire" coaches only after these coaches have made clear publically or privately their desire to leave. That's not made up either, it really did happen. You might want to refill that pipe with more ganggreen and enjoy a long, slow, puff..
Mangina got credit his first year. Hence the Mangenious tag. BUT, when you are given this level of talent, and shit the bed down the stretch, it's on him. We can kill Sutton (which I do weekly) and Schotty, but HE is the head coach, and if he sees something wrong HE needs to fix it. Main problem is he doesn't see or do anything to improve this team. What he does really well tho is chew gum and impersonate a statue.
4-12 10-6 / 9-7 impressive turn around. fans are too short-sighted. give the guy a few years, and our decade will come. let him go, he will succeed elsewhere with the benefit of training at the Meadowlands.
Please... keep him for another ten years, the dog and pony show is priceless. Be careful what you wish for, your next coach could be Marty.. and he would keep his son who I know you love and cherish.
So what? if we by miracle get into the playoffs, does anyone honestly believe were going to do anything? lets be real. i have spent all my life wishing on miracles out of the jets and improbably things.. it doesn't happen.. "You are what you are"... were a talented football with awful coaches.. They fired Big shott after 14 wins in SD, I see no reason to keep these morons after a 10 win season, and that's IF we can beat the formerly 1-15 dolphins...
Uh yea...yes I do believe they can do something. Why can't they? And the Dolphins were 1-15 last year. TF does last year have to do with this year? Shit the Jets were formerly 4-12...what does that mean? It only has as much meaning as you give to it.
if the gm picks the coordinators then the coach can't control him.that doesn't work.tanny can have veto power though to make sure they get the right guy(mike nolan)
It's very easy to make case to Mangini. He's had two winning seasons in 3 years. He made the playoffs his first season with a team predicted to win 4 games, in which many Jet fans were very unappreciative about that season. He's a young coach learning on the fly, he's an extremely hard worker, he cares and there is alot to be said from staying with people instead of always firing the coaching staff and starting all over again. Just read alot of the Jet game threads. Alot of Jet fans are unhappy clueless people who really don't understand football. Not all, but just go into a game thread, they are borderline sad.
The legit case for not firing Mangini is a little bit complicated but it's a reasonable one. That case assumes that Mangini was not ready to be a head coach when he was hired by the Jets and lucked into a rebound year based on taking over an under-achieving group of people who had been slumping under a coach who quit on them the year before. He got the rebound and assumed that it represented his actual contribution to the team, got a little full of himself, and then discovered in his second year that he really did not know as much as he thought he did. So the first two years were essentially just a learning experience for a very young coach who was trying to get up to speed. Under that scenario this year was an over-reaction from management, who threw the kitchen sink into trying to get over the top and in the process managed to hand Mangini an aging high profile team that had a very good chance to collapse down the stretch and creating a perception that Mangini failed when that occurred. The entire scenario assumes that Mangini does not yet know what it takes to coach successfully in the NFL but is learning from his mistakes and eventually will be a very good coach if the Jets are just patient with him as he matures into that coach. The other possibility of course is that all of the above is true, but Mangini isn't going to pick up the things he doesn't already know, learning from his mistakes, and is effectively Jim Haslett.
What case do you have? With a soft scedule and healthy pennington you were surpised they turned it around in 06? Who was unnapreciative of this first year? it played out to form how it had over the past 4 years.. I actualy was happy with Mangini and liked the fire the defense showed... With that said Years 2 and 3 have been a disaster....starting over is not the anwser, but sometimes you have too. I wish the orginization had more consistancy, but mangini is truly a mess.. The defense is terribe again 2 years in a row.. The offense gameplan to change f and adjsut each weak so we have a UNIQUE gameplain is confusing and doesnt help anyone. We have no identity.. The good teams line up and play.. we are way to complicated and have stiffled are best players. As far as being a hard worker? what nfl coach isnt? Im not question his work ethic, but his arrogance and refusal to compramise and adjust during the season has hurt us bad.. Im sure your argument will be its the coordinators fault... Well whos responsibilty is to correct that? No real argument for keeping him, if you can CLUE me in i would love to hear it
How frustrated would you be if the Jets went 8-8 next year, 8-8 the year after and then collapsed to 3-13 in 2011? I'm not seeing anything out of Mangini right now that suggests that he has learned anything from the rollercoaster he's been piloting the last 3 years. I am seeing some signs that he's beginning to capitulate again, like he did at the end of last season. He was very shutdown on the sidelines last week.
Im not advocating he stay! i cant stand him, I was just saying your argument made sense. Im not dissapointed in anything Mangini does be i think hes awefull and I expect the worst out of him.. he has certainly delivered..
Here's a pretty simple case: he's one game under .500 right now. Granted, not winning more than he's losing, but he's far from horrible. I would give him the chance to change out Bob Sutton and seriously consider pulling Schotty Jr for Bill Callahan as O-Coordinator. Do we really want to be the Oakland Raiders west and pull the plug every year?
