once again your assuming we will be in position to draft the qb we want next year. right now we are deffinitly in position to draft a qb. we dont know what next year will bring so why risk it.
The only reason he wasn't considered a top QB was because he was frail, didn't have great arm strength, and didn't put up gaudy statistics at Michigan. He had the intelligence, accuracy, and big game experience.
You can't assume that such a QB will be available next year. The team evidentally really likes Cutler, and thinks he can be the QB of the future.
Sure you do, if you don't think he will fit your system, back to my previous example Miami passed on what you would call a potential "franchise QB" in Aaron Rodgers, to get a RB, they needed a QB then but Saban chose not to do so because they felt that he wouldn't be worth it, even though he was the #2 QB in their class. And the only other reason why I am bringing up Saban is because he along with Mangini has been working with Belichick in the past.
And you think we will really be that improved next year? because I don't think that we will be any good at all, and if we are that improved we can always trade up for a QB.
And that may very well be a move the Dolphins regret. Brown may turn out to be a great RB, but the phins continue to be held back by the lack of a quality QB. Te arent exactly in position this year to nab one either.
You're still assuming that there will be a QB there that fits in with what this offense wants to do. The organization feels that Cutler is the right guy for the job, and they have no idea if a QB will be available next year that they feel is as good a fit as they believe Cutler is. If you think you have found your franchise QB, then you take him.
rodgers situation is not a good example . i remember many so called experts saying that if rodgers dont get drafted #1 they woiulda fell in the draft. saban made the right pick they had money invested at qb at that point with the signing of ferriote and the trade for feeley. the didnt have a rb brown was the right choice. rumours has it though that saban is hot for cutler too
And how do you know that for sure? We don't even know what our offense is going to look like next year, or how they will play on offense, and all the Cutler news could just be a way to generate value for our pick as the 4th pick in a 3 person draft.
When did I say I know that for sure? If we are targeting Cutler, then Mangini must think he is the franchise QB. That's why the situation would be different than what Miami is doing. If Saban felt Rodgers was the franchise QB, he would have drafted him. He's not just building the rest of the team first because he wants to, it's because he hasn't found a QB yet. The first choice is always to find your QB, and then build the team around him. If you don't find a QB you want, then you build the offense the way you want it, and then find a QB who fits into that system. But the reason why that technique is a backup is because it limits the number of QBs that fit your system, making it even harder to find one.
im sorry, since when is gallery a bust? Is it his fault that theyre completely misusing him. Hes out of position and being used in the wrong blocking system. Thats like us getting Reggie Bush and instead of us giving him the ball, we use him as a pass blocker, then bitch about him sucking. Hmmm, maybe because were not using him properly.
all im saying is they ran out a drafted him and jake grove 1 and 2 that year and there oline still sucks. bust or not there oline still sucks and they still need a qb
I love Cutler Im not sure I would take him but he is as good as Vince and Leinart. He was on a crappy team if he was on USC or TEX there is no doubt in my mind he would be number 1 overall. The reason I would want him over Dbrick is that this draft is so deep with linemen we can pick a few up later. Also Dbricks run blocking is very very poor. SO people complain about mechancis Dbrick has some mechanical problems also.
This si the thing I cant understand and that is Cutler is a work out warrior. He is not one at all. Cutler took a very bad Vandy team and carried them all by himself. People who watch the draft closely knew that Cutler was going to be something special and that he was going to work his way up. BTW if we dont get Cutler then I say take Hawk at 4, Winston in rd 2, and Omar Jacobs rd3. Thats the best senario for me but if we get Cutler and Winston then I would be thrilled.
I've seen a lot of people say that because Vandy sucks, everyone should discount the fact that you can count Cutler's wins with your hands (and prior to his senior season.... with a hand) and I don't agree with that. 1. Who says Ashworth will come cheap? 2. Actually, in my "sarcastic little world", it's "Ferguson or trade down". Much like your post, I'm sure that will be conviently forgotten if the Jets actually do trade down (or really anything other than drafting Ferguson). Then I guess I am in the minority, because IMO, you build a team in the trenches. Take a look at the teams who started with a QB the past couple of years. 1998 - Peyton Manning - The next Dan Marino. Future hall of fame quarterback. He may not have gotten to a Superbowl yet, but he still has a lot of years left and he's gotten them awfully close year after year. Ryan Leaf - Biggest..... bust..... EVER (and that isn't an exagguration) 1999 Tim Couch - Huge bust Donovan McNabb - Pro bowler. Just don't ask any Philly fans what they think of him. I wouldn't mind him in the Jets. Akili Smith - Huge bust Daunte Culpepper - Had one almost MVP like year. The team is looking to cut him one offseason later. Cade McNown - Huge bust 2000 Chad Pennington - We all know the story 2001 Michael Vick - One of the most exciting players in the league. But there is some dispute whether or not he is even the best QB on his own team. 2002 David Carr - "What is your team going to draft?" Anyone remember that commercial? Joey Harrington - Huge bust Patrick Ramsey - Pretty big bust 2003 Carson Palmer - He was the third best QB in the league before his injury. But in all honesty, the team turned it around the year before he began starting. Byron Leftwich - Only once has he crossed 60% completion percentage and only barely. Has yet to throw for 3000 yards in a season or take his team anywhere. But in fairness, I blame the coaching staff a lot for this. Kyle Boller - Does anything need to be said? Rex Grossman - Has played in 8 regular season games.... in THREE YEARS. 2004 Eli Manning - A pro bowl alternate, but he was carried this past year by Tiki Barber. Phillip Rivers - When the Chargers drafted Phillip Rivers, they immediately went from worst to first....... with someone else at the helm. Ben Roethlisberger - Became a success faster than any QB in NFL history. 15-1 as a rookie, superbowl champ as a sophmore. 2005 Alex Smith - Did absolutely terribly. Threw 1 TD and 11 INT's. And while it isn't really an excuse, the 49ers don't really have any receiving targets, anything at running back and a terrible terrible offensive line despite investing two of their other day one draft picks in OL. Hmmmmmm, terrible WR, terrible RB and terrible OL (despite a second and third rounder invested), I wonder who that sounds like.
You can't act like O-linemen are nothing but interchangeable fat guys. Ask Shaun Alexander if there can be impact players on the line. Ask the Steelers if a player like Faneca is replaceable.
And just like your long list of bust QB's as you might recall I made a list of 1st round OL busts. So it isn't the "cant miss" scenario you make taking an OT out to be. No position is. I'm well aware that taking a QB in round 1 is a risk. For every QB that works out, there is one that is a collosal bust. But it is a risk that a franchise like ours has to take. We need a face to put fourth of this franchise. An emotional leader who can produce and who we can build around. I could be wrong, but in all my years of watching football, I've never seen an OT w/ that sort of resume; Let alone D'Brickashaw Ferguson, who by the way, will be much more expensive than Tom Ashworth. I've stated over and over again that we can address the OL in rounds 2 and 3. For whatever reason, you do not want to acknowledge it. But I'll state it one more time: There will be OL's in rounds 2 and 3, that in any other year, would be potential top 20 picks. When you see a class that deep, you address your skill players first, and than you pinpoint the guys you like on the rest of day 1.
