And that is my point, we can build up the rest of the team and it won't matter as much who the hell the qb is, People needs to get with the times, this is the new way to build a team, just look at our rivals being led by another Belichick disciple is building it the exact way I am suggesting. By building the team, the qb has less pressure to have to perform. But hey ignore me if you want, but it worked for the Steelers didn't it.
I think that Grossman is probably the better QB, but not the better fit for their team, Grossman like Cutler is a gunslinger, with the high risk/high reward, that goes away from the whole point of their team.
The Patriots are not a valid example. The first SB, yes, they won with Brady just managing the game. But the last two, especially in 2004, they won because of Brady being a great QB.
i hear ya but both pats and steelers won with big time qbs . big ben and tom brady are franchise qb's. if i remember right didnt brady drive down the field two times for gw Fg's in two Sb's
Sure they are even though I didn't mention them (I had meant Miami), with the playoff experience Brady gained along with the success he had his first year, he was able to have a much easier transition to lead the team, then lets say a QB that struggles being the only good part of their team, along with the fact that he will need time to get used to his teammates
we are completly re-building the team and by the looks of it we are trying to build a team in the mold of the patriots. thats a team with a great qb to lead a team with a great o-line and a lot of hardworking overachievers at the skill positions. oh and a very good defense. we can get our leader at qb right now and build the o-line throughout the next few years. than its onto finding good hardworking reliable recievers and working on our defense which does have some potential. i dont believe what the bears are doing is the new way to build a team either. i believe if anything the copycats are gonna try to steal the steelers mold which is speed speed and more speed all over the field on offense and defense. and a big nasty offensive line. edit: im also not saying we take cutler and throw him to the wolfs this year. we take cutler and throw in any qb right now it would be bollinger and let him get killed while the offensive lineman we will surely draft in rounds 2-3 learn and play. the earliest cutler would play is in after one year on the bench. he shouldnt play until there is a solid line around him and whenever that happens it is his time to take over.
They weren't big time QBs when they started, Brady was a 6th round QB with many question marks about him, and Ben R. dropped like a tank in the Atlantic ocean during draft day.
thats cause teams were too stupid drafting guys like gallary. bet the raiders wish they went for a qb now.
There is really no way you can rebuild the team to a Patriot mold, because they got a franchise QB fortunately drop into their laps in the 6th round, and what else you are saying is going by my way as well build the team then get the QB that will perfectly fit into the system, and that also includes building a dominate defense
Well I think that Brady was really just worth a 6th round pick when he started, he didn't have the pressure that a franchise QB would and spent a year on the bench, also with their defense he didn't have to force anything until he was comfortable.
Brady took over a bad team and brought them together. Even though he only had to "manage" the offense his first year, he was the reason they won the SB. His two other championships were purely because he is a great QB. Him being a great QB now has no correlation to the team in 2001, because even back then, he was the reason they were so good.
No Brady had a championship caliber defense carry them to the SB, and their offense only looked so bad because they thought that their franchise QB was Bledsoe. And also I hadn't meant them to begin with, I had meant Miami is building the team the same way I am thinking.
They had a great defense, but Brady totally revitalized a near dead offense. It wasn't all Bledsoe's fault.
So you are telling me that a 6th round QB in his first year can do all of that, and as you said all he was asked to do was managed the team. After he got the experience he got from managing the team, he had enough experience to be able to do what you had said.
- Ok, but does Rutgers QB have the skillset of Cutler? Absolutely not. You make it sound like I'm saying that just b/c Vandy sucks, we should take him. Not the case. I'm saying that his skillset is of a top qb prospect and that his stats should not be taken at face value due to the talent around him. Should they be looked at? Yes. But that should not discourage a team from taking him at any point in the draft - The Jets could very well have a much BETTER OL this coming year w/ a change in scheme, perhaps signing a cheap guy like Tom Ashworth, the continued development of Jones/Moore and of course something you routinely shun, addressing the OL in rounds 2 and 3. But that's b/c in your sarcastic little world it's "Ferguson or bust". - The fact is, when you're completely rebuilding an offense, you start w/ the QB position. If you disagree, you are in the minority. B/c almost all GM's in the NFL have handled things the exact same way. Do we need help on the OL? Of course. But "investing heavy" doesnt hafta mean taking an OT in the first round. As I've stated over and over again, there is a ton of OL depth in rounds 2 and 3. But keep on shunning it to further along your "Ferguson or bust" agenda.
He was a 6th round QB in his second year, who had a great pedigree, being from Michigan. Of course he gained experience from "managing" in his first year, but he still would have been a great QB who was most responsible for winning two championships.
You are behind the times my friend, and I don't want Ferguson at all, I want us to trade down and fill more of our needs, get a top QB next year with the full understanding of getting the QB that will perfectly fit our team.
Exactly. Unlike Vandy, we have the opportunity to take a guy like Cutler, and than get him help up front in rounds 2 and 3. They may not be the "God" that Ferguson is made out to be on this board, but there are alot of solid guys who will be around on late day 1.
I don't think so, he was a 6th rounder for a reason, I think if he was forced into a different situation he would fail badly
I'd like us to trade down as well. And if a guy like Cutler or Young is there, we should not pass on the opportunity to take them. The fact is, we are rebuilding our entire offense, and when doing so, after you trade down, you do not pass on the opportunity to draft a potential franchise QB.
