Heehee, we actually have Hill. Currently he's rotting away on our practice squad. We have another primetime match up coming this Monday. Going up against the man Sanchez funny enough. I'll be back around that time, and we can discuss Cam's value a little more.
3 1st for Cam? Good luck with that. Jets are a sorry bunch, no doubt - but you won't find Snyder in Jets FO. Your best bet is, hope RG3 gets a career ending injury. Snyder will bite with 3+ top picks if that happens.
Yall really dogging cam like he's not really good or something... He's without a doubt a franchise QB. We just went through Sanchez and Geno smith and yall have the audacity to say these dumb ass comments calling cam an inaccurate scrub? Crazy as hell... i bet there's about 27 other fan bases that would LOVE Cam on their team..
Can we please concentrate on getting a QB with a high football IQ and ability to read defenses for once? Cam Is not the answer.
I live in NC and am a Jets fan first and foremost, but also root for the Panthers. Personally, I don't think Rivera will be back. Gettleman shouldn't be either. IMO he's worse than Idzik. He ignored addressing the OL in any significant fashion. Carolina's OL has been overrated for years. He also allowed 4 or 5 WRs to walk away in FA, and aside from Benjamin, didn't address the position. He had plenty of depth at RB, so he can't be blamed for that. He also allowed half the defensive backfield to walk away. Of course there wasn't much he could do about re-signing most of those guys because the Panthers were in a bad/tight cap situation, but then that's Gettleman's fault. On one hand, I would love to see Cam with the Jets. He isn't the sharpest tool in the box and not particularly accurate a good bit of the time, but with the right CS, I'd love to see him here. I just don't see that ever happening. Jerry Richardson would be nuts to trade Cam or not re-sign him. IMO Cam is more important to that franchise than any of the CS or the GM.
I don't think Cam was ruined by the Panthers running him too much. This is the first year that he has really struggled and it's because they prevented him from running this year and he was hurt early. Shula is NOT a good OC. His system is awful, and when combined with all the new WRs , Cam's being hurt, and the DL not playing anywhere near like they did last year, and Gettleman's lack of good moves in the draft and FA, and that's why the Panthers are floundering this year.
Well in fairness to those other posters, Cam Newton has been somewhat of a disaster this season. Not entirely his fault because he doesn't have many weapons and he was hurt to start the season. But I think most football people would say that he took a big step back this season. Not to say he can't turn it around, but he is definitely not a franchise QB right now. Why do you think that Panther fan is on here peddling Cam Newton? Obviously he doesn't think that highly of him and he watches all his games.
The panther fan said his self the offense isn't helping him at all, plus he started the year hurt. The panthers are one of the only teams i could think of recently that had a WR core as bad as ours... i'm talking before this season. They got a rook that's up & coming but that's about it. Cotchery is okay at this point but he's not game changer... Jason Avant really? He's another cotchery... Plus a bad o-line.. we all know as jets fans better than anyone that a team won't prosper with a shit offense like that and Carolina's doesn't look like it's ran much differently than our shit show. Cam isn't on pace to finish his career with most passing yards for no reason man... If we had Cam he'd automatically be the best QB to face Brady in this division since....ever. Let's not forget about how much of a weapon he is on his legs too. I think it would be a franchise saving pick up.
All of what you're saying means absolutely nothing because his surrounding lack of talent is irrelevant to this discussion. Andrew Luck joined a 2-14 team. The original poster is a Panthers fan and he is on here peddling him to us. Who peddles a "franchise QB" to other teams if you don't already have a potential franchise QB like Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck waiting in the wings??? Who does that??? Nobody! If Cam Newton is a franchise QB then the Panthers are not trading him. So there is no point in even discussing this. But for him to peddle a "franchise QB" then he sees something wrong with Cam Newton, not his teammates. You just don't trade franchise NFL QB's in their prime because his teammates stink.
Cam Newton, Chris Ivory and Percy Harvin in a read-option would be something to watch. Pass on trying to get him to run a WCO.
i'm going to assume you mean no more one read running qb. however im going to take your comment on face value and say this. No more plodding, no arm, plodding, overdrafted, inaccurate, late round, washed up, practice squad hacks. I won't bother attaching a color to any of the guys that match this description. That said, we need somebody that's pass first and run later. I think read option is playing its' self out.
Rivera isn't the GM. He is the coach. You can't compare Rivera to Idzik. Gettelman is the panthers GM.
I personally believe from my years of watching Cam, that he has the potential to be the best QB in the league. Most people thought Cam was going to be a scrub not worth a first round pick. That he came from a simple offense at Auburn, and would struggle heavily with an NFL offense. Yet he proved all critics wrong with his rookie season. If we had our 2013 defense in Cam's rookie year, we would have won at least 14 games in 2011 and went on to a superbowl. Cam has all the talent you would want in a franchise guy, he just needs an offensive mind to further develop his skills. So why do I want to trade him if I believe all that? Again, I don't believe Rivera will ever develop this kid in the way he needs to be. Cam shown his will to prove his critics wrong, but he's not going to reach the next step without sound offensive coaching. Even if we got rid of Rivera, history says the Panthers will bring in another former defensive coordinator at head coach. Our owner is not willing to bring in an offensive genius to run things. So Cam is wasted in Carolina. My belief is if we can't maximize off Cam's potential as a player on the team, we can maximize off his value as a franchise QB. One of you mentioned Andrew Luck, and guys like that as franchise guys. Let's take a look at how the Colts surrounded Luck with talent since the day he was drafted. In the same draft the Colts took Luck, they drafted two receiving threat tight ends in Fleener and Allen, and also drafted their now star deep threat in T.Y. Hilton. They retained Reggie Wayne when he was about to leave for Denver. (Unlike us in foolishly releasing our veteran star in Steve Smith), and put a quality offensive line around Luck. Like I said, our starting offensive tackles are former undrafted guys, with one not being drafted originally to play defensive tackle. Throughout Cam's career, the only offensive guy we drafted that has actually helped, is Kelvin Benjamin. Rivera being a defensive minded guy first and foremost, our drafts have been geared toward the defensive side of the ball. So all of this backs up my reasoning for why I say Cam will never develop here in Carolina. I'm not peddling Cam, he's not a bad QB. We have seen what he can do when healthy and has talent around him. Of course with me, I'm the type of person who would rather have the best team in the league, than have the best QB in the league. That could be accomplished with multiple 1st round picks My Jet brethren, your team has some talent on offense. I'm worried about Percy Harvin's will to succeed, but he has the talent to be an offensive threat if he stayed healthy. Decker is a decent possession guy, and you have some pieces on the offensive line with Ferguson and Mangold. On the defensive side, I'm worried about your cornerback position. At one time this year, I was willing to trade yall Josh Norman and a 3rd or 4th round pick for Quinton Coples. (Heehee, yet now Norman is coming along as a top corner on our team) Other than that, I like your defense. With Coples there, I think he faired better in a 4-3 defense. Perhaps that is what the Jets should go back to next year.
I wasn't saying that Rivera was the GM or comparing him to Idzik. I'm fully aware of whom the Panthers' HC and GM are. I read articles about the team every day in my local paper and their games are on TV every week. Perhaps I wasn't totally clear, but my statement "IMO he's worse than Idzik" came right after I said Gettleman shouldn't be either.
The fact that Panthers fan is on here trying to peddle Cam to the Jets says TONS more about that fan and his perception of things than it does Cam. Period.
What? He was the 1st pick in the draft and here is what some had to say. "Newton is one of the most athletically gifted quarterbacks in draft history." "Cam Newton is one of the most dynamic football players to ever grace the football field. What he accomplished last season alone rates him as an all-time great." "Teams like Cincinnati, Arizona, or Minnesota would be great fits. I have him graded as a top 15 pick and he could go as high as #1 overall." "Right now, there’s no doubt in my mind that Cam Newton is a surefire first round pick." But there is no way he is worth anywhere near 3 1st round picks and your thread title is ridiculously misleading. There is no way the Jets overpay in draft picks for Newton and probably not going to pay what he wants for his next contract anyway which would most probably be part of any trade discussion. I would also suggest you read this thread, http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/welcome-new-jets-fans-introduce-yo-self.78615/ , it might help you understand better where threads should go and how they should be titled.
