Alio, I hate to disagree, but there are two salient points missing in that anal-ysis.... One, Bringing along a QB is much easier when your offense goes through LT and Gates. Coach Hackett would look like Bill walsh with that cast. Two, in that respect Schott was a QB coach, not a coordinator.
And Pennington and Gannon credit Paul Hackett. But that has more to do with QB coaching than it does OCing....
Going back to the consistently terrible o-line play, what exactly do you think Schott can do to adjust the oline play at halftime? That is an adjustment that needs to be made throughout the week, and if not then in the offseason. Based on two years ago, I will say the adjustment needs to be made in the offseason, and on the oline, rather than in the coaching staff. If they retool the line and he still can't get it done, then fine, nuke him.
Schott was a QB coach at SD and it seems like that might have been his ceiling. Coaching shows in the second half of games and after bye weeks. The offense did nothing after the bye week or in second half of games. That is coaching. If we averaged 7 points in the 1st half and 7 in the second then you have a point, but we were either ahead or within a score at halftime in most games and the O could do absolutely nothing in the second half. Coaching, and the last time I checked, the OC is also responsible for the O-line.
Schott was a genius last year after doing a great job with average talent, this year the offensive talent was terrible, Schott and the offense struggled, and now people want to run him out of town. You gotta love this board. :lol:
The strangest thing I noticed out of the Dolphins Offense this year was it looked nothing like the Offense Camreon ran in San Diego. I mean maybe personell led to that out come ; but it had absolutly no resemblance to his other offense. I guess the same can be said of Our SHotty as well. I say a Big no!
I really can't agree with that. Last season, while the offense became effective at times, Lil Schott's approach was like quicksand out of the gate until he would finally start throwing the ball about the mid-second quarter (of about 70% of the games), then he would throw in trickery as teams adjusted to the passing game. If I were to term his playcalling anything, it would be 'gimmicky'. Effective until teams realize that there is no substance behind the gimmicks. You can only deflect some of the blame to the offensive line and the QB situation, but the guy did not adjust well depending on the talent he had available. I was not impressed at all this season with Schott's scheming. Hell, watching Thomas Jones run it up the middle at the goal line behind that porous O-line, watching fades in the endzone to Coles, it was like watching a rookie Offensive Coordinator, instead of watching a guy with a full season and a playoff game under his belt. He did not utilize his personnel well at all. I'm not sure he should be fired, but he is certainly on notice. And when both of your coordinators are on notice, your HC begins to resemble a certain Head Coach in Kansas City.
I was talking about the perception of him on this board, especially with the way the team performed after the bye week. When there was a rumor he could be the HC at Miami, everyone on the board freaked out.
That's what I don't want to start seeing--have a bad year and start firing high level assistants. To me it sets a bad precedent of throwing guys under the bus to save your own skin. Then you have an entire unit that has to learn a new system. They need to figure out the defense in camp next year, not during the bye week. Hopefully with a couple times around the block now, this young staff will adjust faster and earlier in the season.
I'll admit that I was one of the people that didn't like the idea of losing a young OC after a surprising performance last season, but after 2 seasons he has either regressed, or the things that made his gameplan effective in '06 were easily exposed by DCs this season... because his playcalling showed flashes this season, but flashes are not good enough.
I really do agree that Sutton has to go, but I never understood his hiring at DC to begin with. He was a part of the mostly-ineffective Herm Edwards Defensive Frankenstein Experiment for 5 years, in my mind that makes him tainted. I guess Ryan was Mangini's pick in the first place, and it would be nice to have players fired up about their DC instead of having leaders on the D like Rhodes giving pep talks about Sutton like 'he really tries his hardest'... And I don't think that the D would have to learn an entirely new defense under Ryan, just new attacks. However, the offense is a huge concern if Lil Schott is truly as one-dimensional as he appeared this season. Chad Pennington has many drawbacks as far as physical abilities go, but I will never fault the guy for his ability to learn a new offensive playbook quickly, and I do think it is something a lot of board members take for granted. Chad learned about 6 or 7 new offenses since his days at Marshall up to the present (4 with the Jets), I don't think very many QBs would be intellectually capable of doing that regardless of their physical abilities. We need consistency, and that was what I thought we were getting with such a young staff.
Herm will try to bring Hackett in. I think Daboll might be the heir apparent. I doubt they unload a DC and an OC int he same year. Unless Marty gets a job and BS asks to go with dad.
Everyone is garbage after this one year dude. The Jets should AT LEAST be in the playoffs. Remember, we closed the gap between us and New England this offseason and our coaching staff messed up what should have been a great '07.
People are blaming the coaching staff. I'm blaming the lack of foresight at the highest levels. While I wanted Pete Kendall gone, in 20/20 hindsight, I know I was wrong. For a million dollars, out of almost 30, we could have had a solid OLine. Would that have been a night and day difference for this team? I think so. Let's remember, Chad Pennington was last year's CBPOY. Amazing he went from hero to zero, as well as Schotty, and Thomas Jones, all simultaneously. If we're all being honest with ourselves, and really look around the offense, there was a lot of underperformance. Is that all due to coaching, or a decline in overall skill by individual players, or could it just be that the OLine's severe deficiency led to the downfall of too many players, and it couldn't be overcome? Now I'm not saying Schotty's job is safe, but I'd give him another year to show whether he's got the ability to win with this team. He needs a quality line to work with though. If he fails again, then we know.
I am reading all these postings with all that was wrong with the Jets this year. Many are debateable but one thing that was not debateable was that the O LINE WAS TERRIBLE. With all these possible coaching changes being discussed how has nobody stated that the Jets need A NEW OFFENSIVE LINE COACH. This year was the worst display of pass protection and run blocking that I have ever seen on a Jets team. Seriously, how can you possibly evaluate a young Qback with NO RUNNING game and NO PASS PROTECTION. I had to look up to see who the OFFENSIVE LINE coach is. His name is MIKE DEVLIN. I also see TONY WISE listed as OFFENSIVE LINE coach. We needed 2 guys to have an OLINE THIS BAD. Guys - is it me or is this an obvious place to start
I don't know. That's the short answer. Can you blame the coaching if the talent just isn't there? There's only so much a player can be "coached up". At some point, his natural ability and instincts are going to play a role in his performance.
Exactly. Being a good QB coach does not necessarily mean that one has the ability to be a good designer of playbooks and/or playcaller. Schottenheimer has demonstrated the ability in the past to develop QBs very effectively. That's great... For a QB coach. He has also shown that he is Hackett-like in his predictability, and relies on gimmicks to try to get by with this terrible playcalling. Could he improve with a better offensive line? Sure, of course he could. Has he shown anything in two years to make us think he has the ability to do so? Absolutely not. I don't care if you have the Pats OL up front, if you run the same play, out of the same formation, with the same gimmicky motion, week after week after week in the NFL, several times a game, with the expectations of success, you're going to be sorely disappointed.
Although I don't agree on getting rid of Shottenheimer Jr. just yet....I agree this has to change, its sickening and we're not fooling anyone week in and week out.
