Continuity is important, we want everyone to have to learn a new offense now? We need guys that can block, first and foremost. Do that and the QBs will have time to throw and the RBs can run the ball. And get a big FB, dammit!!
I completely disagree. Brees went from having Mr. Premiere TE to New Orleans last year and didn't miss a step. I do not know who was responsible for his resurrection, but the fact of the matter is that it happened regardless of the surrounding personnel. Whether it was the coaches present at the time (Schotty JR. or Cameron) or just his learning curve is hard to prove. One thing that does point to QB play being a function of the coaches in SD is the fact that Rivers has regressed tremendously without Schotty and Cameron. Clemens' skills over the next year or two will be the proof of Schotty Jr.'s QB coaching accumen.
The Chargers offense didn't exactly fall off a cliff after Shotty came here. I am not sure about Cameron but replacing our offensive coordinator would not be a bad idea if we get the right guy.
I'm not saying Sign Him Up. The guy was the OC for San Diego 2002 - 2006. He was responsible for or part of the development of Drew Brees. I'd rather go off his record in SD for measurement as an OC then the single pathetic year he had as HC w/Miami. Give me a break, Bill Belicheck would have gone 3-12 in Miami. Lets face it --- everyone knows that some guys are better coordinators than they are head coaches.
My thoughts exactly. What has the guy proven to anyone in the NFL. Nothing. Plus, anyone who drafts a punt returner with the #1 draft pick has to be looked at as a little bit of a space cadet. If Miami had taken a QB with their first pick last year or any of the other decent possibilities that existed, they already would have been better off than they are now.
The fact that the personnel changed is really irrelevant. Brees has always been an accurate passer with a good head on his shoulders. My point was that the San Diego Chargers had absolutely NOTHING in terms of quality receivers before Gates, and I think that was more of a factor in his maturation than anything else. The quality of the receivers and personnel in New Orleans was excellent. As disappointing as Reggie Bush has been, he was an excellent receiver out of the backfield. The Saints were not as bad a team as their record suggested, and with the addition of Colston, Bush, and a healthy Deuce McCallister, they were successful. I don't think that Rivers has regressed, I think it's more a matter of being handed a greater responsibility. Norv Turner is just a horrible head coach. Over the second half of the season, Rivers seemed to do slightly better with that responsibility. He had some bad stretches, but the training wheels were off. I'm not trying to give Schottenheimer no credit whatsoever here, but I'm not going to completely ignore the fact that Brees was terrible for most of his tenure in San Diego and succeeded only upon the introduction of a quality receiving threat were none previously existed. -X-
This is great. 12 months ago people were scared this guy would get stolen from us because he's an offensive genius. Now he's a total moron because we couldn't score all year. We had shitty run production last year because we had guys like Blaylock and Barlow at RB. We had shitty production at RB this year because there was no one to block. If people are having a tough time understanding that, then there's not much arguing that's going to change any minds. As for the subject of running to the outside, Jones doesn't do it well. He needs forward motion to gain speed. He gets nailed on the runs to the outside. The one good point is that Leon is underutilized. Then again, with this OLine, he's too undersized, and would probably have been hurt with more carries on top of his ST duty. On the subject of crediting him for Brees and Rivers, Brees said it himself. I tend to listen to something when a guy credits someone himself. Why would he lie? He had nothing to gain with it. I'm glad this is all Schotty's fault. Because we all know it couldn't possibly be that there is a total lack of overall talent on the offensive side of the ball. Nah, never that. Fire him and bring in the next monkey. (I like that 227.)
Drew Brees career was not resurected under Shot, he has been much better since moving on with less talent around him and Rivers emerged after Shot left. I really don't see how Shot gets credit for either Brees or Rivers? As far as our potent offense last year I can't remeber the last Jets team that was shut out twice in the same season like we were last year. Maybe Cakes can pull it up? I think we were around 17th 18th in scoring and in the bottom 3rd of the league in total yards. Over all pedestrian coupled with a pedestrian D very few mistakes and a weak schedule got us an opportunity to get whacked in the first round of the playoffs again.
This pretty much sums it up. We may have been in the playoffs in year one of Mangini, but by no means were we strong contenders.
Our offense scored last year with absolutely no running game. WITH Chad Pennington as the QB. How you can deem that unsuccessful is beyond me. And the point still stands that Brees himself credited Schotty with his improvement. So either you believe the man, or think he's a liar. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
True, lets get some more players, namely offensive lineman before we kick Schott to the curb. Besides, anyone watching the Dolphins can see that Cameron is a complete idiot. The only bright spot in his coaching career was the OC gig at San Diego and he had LT, Antonio Gates, Drew Brees/Phillip Rivers, and a huge OL. Nobody could go wrong there.....
To be honest, San Diego had a good/great foundation for both of those QB's. I don't think Cam will be successful here, plus we can't give up on Schott Jr. just yet....lets retool the Oline, last year we scored pretty good with no running game, a decent online and Chad under center. Also Brees gave alot of praise to Schott. Jr for making him the QB he is today.
That makes sense. I do think Ryan will be a good fit. He worked with Mangini in NE, though he prefers to coach his dad's 46 defense over the 3-4. Be interesting to see if they go back to it a 4 man front. The current Jets defenders seem to be better suited to it.
