The NY Jets offense finished in the top 32 five + years in a row. Gonna be hard to top that no matter who we hire. /sarcasm
The Ravens' "D" has been in decline since Rex left. Also, Harbaugh's dealt with locker room dissension each of the last two seasons. He's benefitted big time from having the ultimate locker room policeman (Ray Lewis) on his team for his entire tenure as Head Coach. It'll be interesting to see how he does when Ray Ray's gone.
Cam Cameron is probably gonna end up getting the job , I dont hate it but i don't love it either, It's a huge upgrade over Sparano plus Rex knows him, But we are gonna have to let Landry go and to sign some new WR's we will end up bringing Bell back
*Sarcasm detector malfunction! Not sure if meaning is as intended!* Yeah, they totally didn't get the job done making the playoffs every single year, and being a threat of going all the way. They definitely didn't get it done winning the division again. They've gotten better at passing because of Torrey Smith, and take many more shots down field. This is probably why Ray Rice is less involved than he used to be, they're going for more home run plays, and they've been working. The offense is decent enough that they don't need to lean on Ray Rice as heavily as they used to. It's a catch 22 for Cam. So let's give it a fair analysis. That's what I like to do. Cam Cameron came in to the Ravens in 2008 along with Joe Flacco. Year - offensive yards - PPG - record - season result: 2008 - 18th - 11th - 11-5 - Lost in AFC championship round to Steelers. Flacco's rookie year. 2009 - 13th - 9th - 9-7 - Lost to Colts in divisional round 2010 - 22nd - 16th - 22nd - 12-4 - Lost to Pittsburgh in divisional round 2011 - 15th - 12th - 12-4 - Lost to Patriots in AFC championship 2012 - 16th - 10th 10-6 - In AFC championship - result not yet determined, and is not fully his work, although it is HIS offense. Totals: Average offensive rank: 17th Point per game average rank: 11th Total record: 54-26 Playoff record: 7-4 * (2 games not under him, but with his system and players for the most part) He made the playoffs every year and won at least 1 playoff game. The team consistently is good with turnovers So the good with the bad. His offenses are usually average in yardage, but they score above average points. They are consistent playoff contenders, and a good clutch team as well. They are also very good with turnovers. They know how to close out games. The Jets are a similar team with the heavy defense. They don't need a powerhouse offense, but if we could average 11th in PPG, we'd be a consistent playoff contender. Overall I'd say Cameron had success with the Ravens. He just might have had a different vision for Flacco than Harbaugh has. We've seen the Ravens put up 50+ points with him calling the plays, and his post season record speaks volumes. I know the last 2 weren't directly under him, but it's still his system they are running for the most part right now. There won't be major changes until next year under the new OC. And people are talking bad about this guy? Okay, he didn't use Ray Rice enough. Let's CRUCIFY HIM HE SUCKS!!!! Well, we don't have a Ray Rice caliber running back, so at least we know we don't have to worry about that.
Average would be an upgrade over Sparano, that's for sure. Only thing that troubles me about him is that he was fired mid-season while the Ravens were in the playoff hunt. That seems rather odd to me.
That shouldn't be the only thing that troubles you. The guy is a loser.. Always has been, always will be. He's a moron.
Cameron would be an upgrade. But that's not saying much because a dried up pile of dog shit is better than Sparano.
I guess losers make the playoffs every year and get at least 1 playoff win. His offenses weren't powerhouses, but they didn't need to be. He didn't have a single losing season with the Ravens, and consistently scores near the top 10 in points per game, yet he's a loser. Fans are generally always critical of their OCs, whether warranted or not. I don't think his issues with Harbaugh or the rest of the team, have anything to do with his play calling ability, which has led to a lot of success over the years. That's pretty much undeniable. Where does this loser talk and moron talk come from? I don't get it. Don't you need to actually lose to be called a loser? I didn't follow the Ravens heavily or anything, but what do their fans criticize him for? He didn't use Ray Rice as much as he wanted to be used? That's the last of my concerns. If our offense could come close to the type of production he's had, we'd be a playoff contender every year. They don't use Ray Rice enough, yet he's in the top 10 pretty much every year in rushing. I wonder what really led to the falling out. Personally I just think they liked Flacco & Torrey smith and they have really come around this year. Flacco's got the #1 QB rating in the post season thus far, and he's had a career year in yards. When your franchise QB starts to come around, you don't rely on the run as much. It's not that ridiculous to give Flacco more passing attempts. Am I missing something major? What's with the hatred for Cameron? What do I not know here? Somebody enlighten me.
Cameron is just a bad play caller and an unimaginative offensive mind. The Baltimore offense seemed archaic under him. He was running an offense that might have looked okay in like 1995. I don't know how anyone can possibly want him. The two guys I want are Hue Jackson or Pat Shurmur. I really liked what Hue Jackson did with that offense and team while in Oakland. I thought Shurmur got a raw deal in Cleveland. That is an extremely young team that needed a few years to develop. They were in almost every game they played this year, and gave playoff contending teams like Pitt, Baltimore, Cincy, Dallas, Indy very tough games.
He got results, though. Regardless of how unimaginative and archaic it might have seemed, he had an above average scoring offense just about every year and the team was successful. There's gotta be a real reason out there somewhere. I'm going to check out the Ravens forums and see what these guys are complaining about. How can you say his offense is outdated and old, when it succeeds in today's NFL? You want to talk about bad play calling, how about the Broncos, not giving one of the best QBs in NFL history a chance to win the game with 30 seconds and 2 timeouts at the end of regulation. On the previous Broncos drive, it's 3rd down and 7, a first down can pretty much seal the game, yet they run it and surrender to punt, instead of giving Manning a chance to win it with a 1st down throw. They felt it was more important to run the clock, but boy did that fail. You have to put the ball in your best player's hands when time is critical. The Broncos could have sealed it but didn't even give Manning a chance to do what he does best. He didn't throw the ball once on Denver's last drive in regulation. It's mind boggling. If I'm Elway, I'm chewing the coaches a new asshole for that.
It's depressing but average would be an upgrade on so many positions with this team. === Coming back to your point, I find it very troubling that he was fired only a couple weeks before they started their playoff run. Not sure what the reasons were but the actions are really extreme. No matter how dissatisfied Ravens were, I'd expect them to at least wait till offseason to let him go. He must've pissed off a lot of people or the wrong people.
Pep Hamilton is the guy the Jets should give a shot to. Cam Cameron is a total retread. No OC of a playoff team gets fired that deep into a season unless you're just horrible which he is.
Bad news...:sad: Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI Source tells me Cam Cameron won't be #Jets next offensive coordinator. ...stay tuned. #nyj
no, no , no to another guy who got fired in Miami ( and another ravens reject). we could hire Big Bird and elevate the passing game more than it has been the past decade.:beer:
If it were me as the Denver coach and I had Peyton Manning, I would have gone for it. But I can understand why John Fox took a knee and said let's just regroup after that devastating/shocking bomb TD that tied the game. You don't want to go out there and have him and the team try to press too hard after that huge TD and wind up making a mistake giving the Ravens great field position to kick a GW field goal. You're basically guaranteed a possession in OT as long as your defense doesn't give up a TD, so if Fox felt the team needed to regroup and "catch its breath" then I'm ok with it. He knows his team better than any of us. Also, Manning not throwing on that last drive in regulation is perfectly fine with me. They milked the clock down, forced the Ravens to call all their timeouts, and put their defense in a great position to close out the game. And Manning has the power to change any call at the line of scrimmage, so he's the one who decided to run the ball 3 times, as he could have easily checked to a pass based on what he saw even if McCoy called a run. You can call it conservative Herm Edwards Ball, but ESPN Stats said the Broncos had like a 98% chance of winning the game given the circumstances. If Rahim Moore doesn't make an absolutely atrocious play on that Smith TD, people would be giving Manning credit for "managing the game, milking clock, and helping his defense out." But that atrocious play did occur so now it's an outrage that Denver didn't throw on third down and had to punt or that they did not go for the win wit 30 seconds left. People point out that the Falcons did it, but it was a different situation. The Falcons were LOSING. They HAD to do it. Matt Ryan had to force the ball down field and try to get into FG range to win the game. The Broncos did not. Every Ravens fan I know HATED Cam Cameron. Supposedly even the players on the Ravens didn't like him and Joe Flacco and him never got along great. Cameron was still running mostly 2 WR sets and just having Flacco chuck up deep balls down the right sideline. It looked like a 1990's style of offense.
The followup to the tweet above. "The New York Jets have one less name to consider for their vacant offensive coordinator position. According to Kimberley A. Martin of Newsday, the Jets will not hire former Baltimore Ravens offensive coordinator Cam Cameron as the replacement for the fired Tony Sparano. Cameron was fired by the Ravens in December after two straight losses despite Baltimore starting the season with a 9-2 record. Former Cleveland Browns head coach Pat Shurmur, former Philadelphia Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg, Stanford offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton and Cincinnati Bengals assistant Hue Jackson are all still in the mix for the job." http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...cam-cameron-as-offensive-coordinator/related/
