Calvin Pryor is a bust

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  1. Neither safety is playing w. any discipline whatsoever leaving us w. these random clumps of defenders seemingly outflanked all over the field.I'm not even sure what coverage we are trying to play b.c the safeties are just running in odd directions & obstructing everything. Pryor is the main culprit for sure but Gilchrist has not been perfect & if Bowles thinks Rontez Miles is the answer..he might be even worse than both the latter.

    I get the sense they're not sure what to do with Pryor. How do you feature an aggressive down hill safety who can't blitz when your secondary is already struggling?!
     
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    Bills over Jets Well-Known Member

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    Why don't they just make him a linebacker like Deone Bucannon or Mark Barron? Those guys resurrected their careers and are playing great football for their teams.
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    because the guys you mention are both 6'1 220/230 ish and Pryor is 5'10 and maybe 200 lbs. He would be bottled up by OLmen so easily. Plus you like your linebackers to be able to tackle and the only thing Pryor can do is throw his shoulder at people
     
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    greaser Well-Known Member

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    Truth be told, I had high hopes for this kid and liked the pick.
    I don't think there is any denying it now.
    BUST
     
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    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Idzik ...you got this guy instead of Carr, Bridgewater or a number of other good offensive players
     
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    Macagnan should ask for more control or resign

    The organization is a ship of fools
     
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    Because Pryor can't cover or tackle. Takes bad angles.

    Not too mention is smaller and lighter than both guys you mentioned.
     
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    Kris 15 Well-Known Member

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    We don't draft smart players. Fucking idiots all over this roster.
     
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    lol. what a disaster
     
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    Kris 15 Well-Known Member

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    Remember the 2006 draft? Our last truly great draft. Ferguson, Mangold, Leon Washington, Brad Smith. The one common thread between these guys is they were all very smart on the field. I remember the play by Leon where he put one foot out of bounds while catching a kickoff. Resulted in an illegal kick which advanced the ball to the 40. You don't see that type of play anymore with this team. Dumb players and dumb coaches up and down. They have to be the most unlikeable losers ever.
     
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    I've checked NFL.com, Deone is 4 lbs (211 lbs) heavier then Pryor. Barron is 6 (213 lbs) heavier...only difference is height as Pryor is the shortest at 5'11". Deone is 6'1", and Barron is 6'2". He plays better in the box anyways.
     
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    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Linebackers often take good angles. Pryor's angles are just dreadful and as you said he doesn't wrap up at all.

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    We ran this drill everyday in practice and it absolutely sucked, but Bowles should be running it with these clowns.
     
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    Not to mention they were all high character guys. That's what I liked about Mangini influenced drafts. He obviously missed on picks, but he drafted college players that were often team leaders or captains.

    It's such an underrated intangible as seen by the group of absolute clowns we have in our locker room. Melting down, pointing fingers, fighting with each other, all that shit.

    I wish we could get Mangini back in a scouting capacity. He had a great eye for talent IMO. Even free agent signings when he arrived were sound decisions. Getting rid of a guy like John Abraham who wouldn't even suit up in a playoff game, while bringing in a high character player like Calvin Pace. Added hard nose players like Kimo von Oelhoffen and Eric Barton while trading away dead weight in Dewayne Robertson.
     
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    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

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    and also wanted Vern (possibly the worst of all the historically bad JETS draft picks) and traded away your namesake for a 4th rd pick....... who went on to win a super bowl.

    ...but yes 2006 was a very good draft, sans the boar hunter, and another 2nd rd pick (seems to be an overall JETS theme the past 20 years)
     
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    Anyone who knows Pryor knows that he isn't a deep cover safety.. So why is he chasing TE's twice his size and WR's twice his speed deep down field? Why did Bowles still think Revis is 25 years old and is the island he once was? He literally ended Revis last season. He has nothing left thanks to Bowles and his overload of work for the old CB. At least give him safety help!

    Bowles allowed Skrine to keep playing press coverage knowing Skrine isn't a strong corner.. and he commits PI penalties like he gets paid for it.

    I've seen Bowles putting our secondary in uncomfortable positions all year... (pause)

    So much miscommunication and frustrated players it's deeper than what Calvin Pryor is or isn't doing.

    It starts with coaching. Just a season ago the same people calling Pryor a bust was calling him top 5 and a VALUABLE asset to this defense... now he's a bust? You guys don't clearly see the difference in his duties from last year and this one? sheesh.. We are asking guys to do things they aren't capable of...

    Honestly Idk wtf Bowles been asking of this defense.. the philosophy made zero sense and didn't seem like he even cared.
     
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    Pryor's actions on any particular play are part of the chess match teams go through. Will Pryor blitz? Will he delay blitz? Will he run blitz? Drop into middle coverage? DBL team the slot WR? on and on. He can do about 10 things on any play, and it's what he's called for that keeps the Offense on their toes. Box safties don't always have a defined roll on a certain play, which is what makes them unpredictable and dangerous.
     
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    Darron Lee SUCKS first of all, I don't know how many times people need to see him torched in coverage or him making the defensive calls and the rest of the defense is out of position to see what this is? Playing inside is NOT Lee's niche. Anytime the lead Tackle gets him, he gets launched like dirty laundry. He's WAY too small to play inside.

    In regards to Pryor, I don't necessarily buy the bust claims? He was forced to play out of position in his rookie year, then he had one very good year in 2015. This year he's terrible, but so is the coaching. I'd like to see get more time under a competent HC...
     
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    You have to question the wisdom of playing SR at OLB. You also have to question why all of Rex's players seems to have regressed mightily under Bowles too. I think its coaching that's the common denominator here. Poor decision making comes into play as well and you can trace it all back to Macc drafting Williams, signing Wilk and letting Snacks walk creating the logjam on the Dline. All the other issues seems to have cascaded from that point. The LB's kinda went to shit, then the Secondary went to shit. Now the entire defense needs an overhaul.
     
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    100% agreed sir
     
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    One of Bowles largest faults at this juncture is not adapting to his personnel. It's one thing to want to put your system in to place, but we should be playing 4 down lineman at all times with this personnel. Sheldon-Leo-McLendon-Wilkerson. It takes an overcrowded position and turns it into what should be a strength.

    A good coach adjusts to what he has. Another reason why I don't think Bowles is a very good coach. We played incredibly well last year in games where we went with 4 down lineman vs. forcing the 3-4.
     
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