Am I the only one that is upset that we drafted Terrence Ganaway and Robert T. Griffin who both were cut before the season, yet we passed over Burfict all 7 rounds? Look, I understand that he had a lot of questions about his mental state, but how can the Jets seriously justify what they did? Yes, every single team passed over him, I get that, but every single team has not cut two of their draft picks already. I wish the Jets would have just given these guys a chance. If you are going to invest a draft pick in them, give them a damn chance. If you are just going to do the rotational thing with your last few guys on your active roster every week, then just hope you hit a home run in the late rounds. What is the point of drafting these guys who you are going to cut one week and resign the next?
Yep, there is two guys I think that could have helped this team out tons and so many people on this board hyped them up. Burfict and Houston in KC, both of these guys should have been on this team....
Trust me you're not the only one. We're a bunch of fans in a forums throwing his name around pre-draft, so the Jets scouting department definitely knew about him. Considering how many duds the Jets drafted in the later rounds (by not even bringing them on the roster), it's surprising they didn't spend a really late rounder on this guy. The questions concerning him was never talent but mentally. Can you imagine being able to plug in this guy & Demario next season? Damn, that's 2 young guys ready to step in for a old, slow-ass LB core.
Burfict is having a decent year, but still displays a lot of the poor play issues that were one of the many red flags against this kid. He still over pursues an bites hard on playaction. He and Maualuga rack up a lot of tackles, but I would not call either one of them great linebackers. If you think our linebackers are slow you'd be just as displeased with him. He is far from speedy. Every team passed on him. He was a nightmare for his NCAA coaches, showed up to the combine out of shape, and by all accounts bombed the interview process. The jets did what every other team did and pass on investing resources in a head case. We had also drafted an ILB in round three to go along with Harris and Scott returning for this season. Even if we had picked up Burfict as a UDFA he would not see much of the feild for us.
Burfict had his welcome to the NFL Rookie moment and he was humbled by it and changed his ways and eating dropped 15lbs and is having an outstanding season for a rookie. Sometimes people just have that game speed and aren't the combine wowers. Brandon Spikes is a slow 40 timer but he has had a good season. There is no measurement for heart
It was not that he was not a combine wower, it's that he showed up completely unprepared. This was after a final NCAA season filled with poor play, selfish stupid penalties, and publicly fighting with his coaches. He showed little more than being a lazy, selfish, stupid person before the draft and its why he went undraftd.
this team can't afford to take gambles right now on players we need guys we know are going to produce (as much as one can "know" at least)
Rightfully so. Its just that when I see the Jets draft people like Terrence Ganaway and Robert T. Griffin, and then see them get cut before the season, I just shake my head. Poor job by Tanny once again.
Shaking your head over guys that were picked at the end of the sixth round? Really? These were both supplemental picks. Any player taken this deep in the draft has very little chance at being anything more than a bit player. The fact that Ganaway was waived with the intention to be on our practice squad was not shocking. There was little doubt that we were entering the season with Greene, McKnight, and Powell at RB. The only shock was Powell surpassing McKnight on the depth chart. If your really surprised that guys taken after the sixth are not NFL starters you either don't follow the draft much or have expectations way out of line with reality.
So you are saying its fine to just draft a guy and cut him a few months later? Look, I don't care if its the first pick or the last pick, if you draft a guy and then cut him without giving him a chance, you are admitting that you made a poor choice with your selection. Plus, lets not act like 6th rounders don't matter. You said that there was little surprise that Ganaway was 4th on the depth chart, but teams get injuries. The Jets have used a 4th running back in games this year. Remember when Kahlil Bell was getting reps, well I sure as hell would have rather had Terrence Ganaway getting those reps. Late round picks are valuable. They help your depth, and every now and again you strike gold, and get a starter from a late round pick. Tannenbaum has done a horrible job with his late round picks in recent years. I could be wrong, but Matt Slauson is the only late round pick still on the roster that I think Tannenbaum has even remotely got right. Heck, look at Greg Zuerlein. The Rams picked him in the 6th round and now he is one of the better kickers in the league as a rookie. Now look at our 6th round picks. Two of the three were cut before the season started.
Zureline was taken before our supplemental picks. Our actual pick in the sixth made the team as safety depth and plays on special teams. The guys ou are so concerNed about we're within the last 50 picks of the draft. Players taken this late have about the same % chance of making an NFL roster as a UDFA. Like I said before, it's obvious you do not follow the draft much by your reaction to this.
My philosophy on 5th round and later picks, especially the 6th and 7th round, is to take a chance on whoever has fallen for what ever reason. Reality is most picks in the 6th and 7th round wind up getting cut or not making the team anyways. Yes, there are always exceptions but if a player was perceived at one point to be a first round consideration and falls, for what ever reason, and is available late in the draft, why not take a flyer on them? I can understand arguments against taking Burfict in the first 4 or 5 rounds due to his red flag issues, but to not take a chance with a 6th or 7th rounder is, in my eyes, foolish. Worst case you wind up cutting the guy, which is what's going to happen to 75-80% of the players drafted in the 6th or 7th round anyways, so you've lost nothing. But the potential payout can be very large for essentially no risk.
Who cares if he was taken before our picks? What is the point of having a supplemental pick if you are going to waste it on a guy like Robert T Griffin? These draft picks should be used on high potential guys that slipped in the draft. Those guys actually have a legit chance to impact your team, rather than the guys that Tanny will cut and resign every week. Again, I have no problem cutting a player if they aren't good enough. For example, Vlad should have been cut by now, but you got to give some of these guys a chance if you are going to waste a draft pick on them. Ganaway was never given a chance.
Ganaway was given a chance. Then he was waived at the end of camp to be placed on the pratice squad. Instead he was claimed by St. Louis. Becasue they claimed him they have to keep him on thier active roster or again expose him to waivers. This is a pratice every team does with cutting some draft picks to place them on the PS. The rams saw enough value to calim Ganaway. This si not a bad pick at this point, but unfortunate that we lost him instead of him getting assigend to our PS. The fact that you do not under stand this again point to you not really folling the draft or how NFL teams work in the offseason. Saying Vlad should have been cut by now is looking silly seeing as he is playing for us and grading out well. He will probably be starting next year unless we get a top end guard in the draft. Robert T Griffen was drafted to compete with the likes of Schlauderaff for Oline depth. the fact that he lost is not overly shocking as only a small % of 6th and 7th round picks ever make the NFL. You still not getting this is just silly. If you want to bash Tanny he's given plenty of reasons over the years. Bashing the fact that our supplemental picks in the 6th and 7th never made it is about as fucking dumb as it gets.
Whatever, dude. Its pointless arguing with you. I guess we just don't agree. Especially after the ludicrous stuff you said about Vlad. He is awful, shouldn't be getting any playing time in the NFL. Just watch tomorrow the difference between when Slauson and Vlad are in the game, pay extra attention to that.
While it's obvious that not every team has cut 2 draft picks, you can't say what that number is definitively. Is it more or less than 50? Or is it really low (10%) or really high (80)? you can't use the argument of how many rookies other teams have cut, I am willing to bet you don't know. Our ILB core with Harris and Davis for the future seems to be pretty damn good anyways, so is the only complaint for not drafting Burfict is because we cut 2 late draft picks? Would it had been better if they were cut this coming off season of next training camp? At the time I thought burfict was actually worth a shot in the 6th or 7th, just not for the Jets after they drafted Davis. I also wasn't surprised when nobody picked him. Out of all the players that I am wrong on, and that's often, it seems like he did turn into an OK player. But it's definitely something not worth getting upset over, especially since we have better players already.
Your giving up because your staring to realize your wrong. Look back at last years draft. How many 6th or 7throunder are making an impact in the NFL? If funny that you fall back to the disagreement about Vlad, because you know you thoughts about the late picks are weak if not wrong. It's ok to give up, I would expect little more from you. As for Vlad, he is not great by any means, but he is also not as horrible as you would like to make him out to be. He is still a stronger run blocker than pass blocker, but with the way our offense is headed he could be Moores replacement. Sanchez has proven that he can not handle being the focal point of an offense and we are heading back to running the ball more than throwing. With the man blocking scheme requiring more physical lineman it plays to his strengths.
You are dead wrong. I am not giving up because I think I am wrong, I just am not up for a pissing match right now. I got better things to do. I stand by my opinion, and I am not changing it. I just don't feel the need to repeat myself over and over again, and get insults hurled at me by you. So yes, if you take that as giving up, go ahead! Congrats on your victory!
True, but 6th and 7th round picks are basically always going to be gambles. I wish we would use more of those picks on guys with high upsides, instead of wasting picks on guys who don't even make it through the preseason. For example, Bryce Brown was still on the board when we picked Ganaway. Obviously Brown had huge red flags, but the FO had to know that there would be much more upside with that pick. Burfict and Dennard are other good examples of guys who (depsite concerns over their character) are definitely worth taking that late in the draft.
