Cheap? This is cheap? Found on Yahoo Sprorts: "He signed a five-year, $25 million contract extension late in the 2006 season, his career year." What, $25 million is peanuts? Five million a year? For a guy who does nothing? Anyhow, you are didging my main point. I am trying to point out that this was a Tannenbaum and Mangini move. NO JETS FAN can blame Bradway/Edwards ANYMORE after the current regime rewards this player. Unless you're hopelessly stupid.
Uh huh...so the fact that NFL players rarely see that final total in their contract...or that other unproven but talented players got similar contracts that season shouldn't play into it? I don't even want to go into your big point because it's stupid, beaten to death, and it's 3 AM.
Why not? Bradway/Edwards thought he would be a great player, and drafted him in the 1st. They were wrong, and i sure can blame them for it. Mangini and Tanny also make a mistake by giving him good Starter money, after he played a good year in a new system. I also think this was a mistake, but he only got M 9$ Signing bonus. That?s less than M 2$ a year. Not that rich.
My point was... So, do you feel like Mangini/Tannenbaum have a good handle on player personnel decisions, after signing BT to a long-term contract, and now signing those other six-game wonders to theirs? I don't. But God bless you if you do.
Mistakes Yes, you will admit that the original "braintrust" of the NY Jets made a mistake to draft thwe guy, but yet you refuse to admit that it was a big mistake for the current GM to sign him to a big contract!!! This is the problem I have with most of the people who attack me on this and that. They will NEVER admit the mistakes the current regime has been making. Well, I got news for you all, if these mistakes are a symptom of a bigger problem, we Jets fans are in a huge mess. I am just trying to get a few of you Mangini supporters to admit to this. But apparently it's just too much for you all.
I don't think it was more of a mistake. It's more hindsight now than anything. In 2006, it was the first year we switched into a 3-4 and BT excelled. There was no indication that he would "slack off" the year after that in the same system. If a player who's been in a 4-3 and was near invisible to all of a sudden have a 6-sack year in a new implemented system, I would've hand him more money to keep him. But that's just me.
Whoa whoa whoa...NEVER accuse anybody on this board of using hindsight...no one is that low. I'd say most of us knew that Thomas was useless, still is, and our idiot, n00b coaching staff goes ahead and hands him one of the richest contracts in NFL history anyway. This current regime is retarded. Can't way to see mistakes like Thomas cost them their jobs. 1 really good year in the 3-4 for Thomas is easily negated by one bad year. Why? Because thats how the system works. It's not like he was elite in '06 so we can easily get rid of this spare hunk of junk.
If Thomas has a 2008 season that's similar to his 2007 season then yes, it was a mistake. If it's more like his 2006 season then it's a good deal. You can't judge any long-term deal a mistake after 1 season. The guy's had 1 good season in the 3-4 and 1 bad one. This year's going to prove whether he's worth it or not. He's proven that he can play in the system, it's just a matter of consistency. If signing Pace and drafting Gholston is what it took to light a fire under his ass, so be it. I know you're probably gonna spout out some crap about it being a different sport, but the way I'm looking at it is like the Beltran situation with the Mets. Great 2004 with Houston, but sub-par 2005 after signing the big deal with the Mets. However, a switch went on in 2006 and he was a top-3 NL MVP candidate. I'm hoping this happens with Thomas (although I just hope he's a solid starter for us).
Wow....a guy comes clean and most people here are ready to burn him at the stake! It's funny how folks impose extremely high standards on others when most likely they themselves don't live up to. The man is human...he slacked off and had an off year. He is only one man on the team though...it would be foolish to think other folks didn't do it as well. I think it's refreshing that he came clean; it means to me he is re-committed to turning the ship around this season. I don't like how last season happened...but what's done is done and even if he had played at a high level we still would not have made the playoffs. I'm hoping BT rebounds this year and is part of our hopefully top tier LB core this year. Not quite ready to burn the man at the stake....yet.
Naaaah!! Your twenty year old "supervisor" would likely feel sorry for you and give you a second chance and let you keep your job provided you promised to leave your lap top (and Gameboy) at home, get up off the floor and stop with the begging and the sobbing already. Have you decided yet whether you want to take my bet?
We Fans use our hard earned money to buy his Jersey and tickets to see him play. And he slacks off right after he collected a M 9$ signing bonus. I see your argument, and it?s probably human, to go a little bit easier with that money in your pocket, but you gotta expect fans to be mad at you, and Fans have the right to be mad at you. In the end, it?s their money you take.
The difference is, your situation isn't even comparable to what Thomas did. If the situation were more like BT was working at McDonald's, was in charge of mopping the floors, and just did it slowly rather than as efficiently as possible, it would be more comparable. It's not like the guy just sat down during practice and sipped lemonade all day. He just didn't put in as much effort as he needs to in order to be a better player. People are acting like this guy was attending practices in a golf cart. He slacked off, he didn't just not show up.
It's really difficult to find an appropriate analogy comparing McDonald's to any other job. Anybody been to an urban McDonald's lately? It reminds me of the hospital check-in scene from "Idiocracy." Don't you need a GED to work at McDonald's? There is no way some of these cats had their Good Enough Diploma. Let's compare Thomas to an on-retainer lawyer. The company you own loses a major class action lawsuit. Bryan Thomas the Lawyer comes into your office and says, "You know, I probably could have done more to help us win that case but I slacked a little." How do you respond? "That's OK Bryan, it takes a big man to admit when he's made a mistake, we'll get 'em next time." Fuck no! You fire that underacheiving prick because there are no second chances in the business world. BTW, the NFL is a business.
Goddamit, how did you hear about that? Look, I wasn't crying; there was dust in my eye. And yeah, you're on. When Bryan Thomas notches 2008 sack number 6.5, I will never post again on TGG. Likewise, should week 17 come and go and the Cactus is stuck at 5.5 or below, Altoona shall be forever silenced. I recommend 6 sacks is a push and we settle the matter with pistols at dawn. Further stipulation- this dude goes on IR, I win. Since I'm letting him notch sacks with the Lions, I think that's only fair.
I think the real sting that's driving some us crazy/rabid is the fact that he had a breakout year on an old contract...so...the front office did something that rival teams and the media try to accuse the Jets of, and that is, not giving players raises or extending contracts to those who show they've earned it on the field. So, we did that with Thomas, which SHOULD'VE been motivation enough to play even harder, but instead, he slacked off. If anything, if I was a player in that locker room (Coles, Baker, possibly Cotchery and maybe even ex-Jet Kendall) I'd be pissed, because it's assholes like him (or asshole moves like that) that makes the FO think twice about rewarding players who give everything they can on every play come Sundays, and in the long run, ends up hurting our team because we get into money disputes and we end up losing solid-to-good players in the process.
True. But it really wasn't meant to be a congruent analogy. Your example doesn't quite work either because we can't use Thomas in any analogy that pertains to unskilled labor. Good quality 3-4 OLBs are not as easily found or as replaceable as floor moppers. Thomas, when fulfilling his potential, would probably be ranked in the top 20-30% for his position (if not higher). A player with his potential is not so easily replaced and even if you could replace him, there would be no reason to unload him (provided he returns to good form) because depth and the ability for a defensive coordinator to rotate fresh-legged pass rushers is a huge asset for any team.
