The whole Rest of the draft can be offense !!!! With the #4 pick in the draft you take the BEST PLAYER!!!!!! PERIOD. Not to mention this best player happens to be a damn good copy to the key of the Pats defense and how they built their team with a Versitile Monster DE - Now all of a sudden people actually say such a player is a bad fit for a 3-4??? This is just crazy talk. And To say "the team needs Offense" just shows IN MY OPINION a complete misunderstanding of the draft and what spending that kind of money on a high pick is all about... You can't just pick a player to fill a hole - That's what Bradway did with DROB... He moved UP to pay top 5 money in a draft without any top 5 players worthy of that money and he used 3 draft picks to get him... JUST TO FILL A HOLE.
many feel that mario is the 2nd best player in the draft and many don't, so give it up already, your not gonna change his mind
I guess theres two ways of looking at it jets2004. You can try to improve the offense so you have a decent offense...and a decent defense..or you can hire a defensive minded HC..and say the defense is closer to being whole than the offense...lets just make this team a very strong defense..and build the offense over a couple years. Good defenses beat good offenses...almost always...especially in the playoffs. Why draft a QB that will take at least a couple years to develop...when taking MW will make this defense pretty complete now. I follow the QB lovers....I really do. Taking a MW makes the defense pretty formadible this year. Also, going by history...if we are to compare Mangini to Parcells/BB...could you ever really see Parcells drafting a franchise QB with the fourth pick..or BB doing the same? I doubt very very very much the Jets will take a QB.
Our lb corps as I see it... OLB Thomas ILB Vilma ILB Barton OLB rookie pass rusher Hobson and Kassel might not be anything more than versatile backups, at this point
I like this guy more and more, he was supposed to turn into something after the Jets drafted him and that never happened, maybe now it can. a 4.47 is amazing for a LB and this move is exciting. Im already excited for next season I like everything the Jets are doing this off season
BT has both the size and speed to be an OLB in the 3-4, lets hope that the coaching staf can do something with him. I realy like his persuit and eventhough a lot of people on this board hate him, I think he is a good player. We did reach to get him but he still can play some solid football.
Where does McClover fit in with the LB corp as well? depth, special teams, does the guy get a sniff at LB? Safety? We seem to have a lot of players lined up there already.
Where does Barton fit in all this? Right now Thomas and Hobson have the OLB, Kassell is an ILB... Vilma is our best defensive player, so he would have to be on the field. Barton??? Chatman?? Are we playing a 2-5? I don't get it...
JI2K4... I have to disagree that Mario doesn't fit the scheme, I actually think he's perfect for it. My first point is to look at Shaun Ellis... 6'5, 285... his rookie year he was the LE in a 3-4 scheme, and he also pulled off 8.5 sacks that year. 3-4 DEs are supposed to be big players. That's why Herm assumed he could move Ellis to DT in his second season, because he had OK DT size, and ideal 3-4 DE size. Fast forward to Mario Williams...6'7, 290 lbs, runs a 4.75. Not only is he bigger than Ellis, but he is faster. That doesn't make him less suited to play DE in a 3-4, that makes him more deadly in that position. When your smallest guy on a d-line of 3 is 285, that isn't bad at all for stopping the run. But the greatness of it all is that we'd have 3 big linemen who are skilled at pass rushing. This can provide a lot of flexibility for our linebackers, which are a talented, young, fast group.
I agree completely. Plus, if we are plyaing Thomas at OLB - we can bring him down on the line and all of a sudden we're playing a 4-3 - and yes, I believe Mario can play DT. (Nolan Narwocki agrees, too, so shut the fuck up, unbelievers)
So what you are saying, is that in Abe we had the perfect OLB/DE hybrid for the 3-4 scheme but traded him away.
You have anything more than "trust" that I can bank on? OLBs in a 3-4 are huge, around 270 pounds each. Thomas can play one side. Vilma will play inside. The other OLB also has to have some size and pass rush ability...I think well look towards the draft. Chatham is the only player currently on the roster that merits consideration at OLB, unless you think highly of Trevor Johnson (I dont). Last spot available is ILB, btwn Barton, Hobson, and Kassell. Now honestly, you cant tell me you expect Barton to lose out to one of the latter two (barring injury)
will you please explain to me (beyond the contract part) how Ellis fits as a DE in the 3-4 and Mario Williams doesn't? cheers
People are asking where every guy is going to fit. We must recognize that Mangini is building a Parcells/Belly style defense, where there is a rotation on the DL and in the LB corps. Remember back to the late 90's, we had Lewis, Jones, Cox, Pepper Johnson, Cascadden, Phifer, D. Gordon all rotating and many played both ILB and OLB. We will see a complete rotation between basically everyone within the front 7.
line- ellis, robertson, kimo line backers- barton, vilma, thomas, hobson secondary- miller, dyson, rhodes, coleman and depth with players such as kassell, reed, pouha, pope, t. johnson, chatham, maddox, barrett, strait... sign me up!
Good post jaywayne, and I agree with you. I'd rather that we don't trade up for Leinart. Take him if he falls to you at 4 potentially, but only if Bush and Williams are off the board. FYI, I think Parcells took Bledsoe at #1 in 1993.
I was with you up until the last bit. Parcells had Phil Simms on the roster when he took over the Giants. With the Jets, he had Glen Foley and brought in Testaverde to compete with him. He then drafted Pennington - the first QB taken in the 2000 draft. When Parcells went to Dallas, they had a gaggle of young QBs on the roster, and only after deciding that none of them were the answer did he turn to Bledsoe. BB got a gift in Tom Brady, When he was in Baltimore, he had Bernie Kosar, who lost his job to Vinnie Testaverde, who had been signed to be a backup. None of these coaches have come into a team that was in the scenario the Jets are in - in 2001, BB had Bledsoe, and there was no QB to take at 1.08 - the second QB taken was Brees, in the first pick of round 2. If a player like Roethlisberger or Leftwich has been in that draft, maybe BB would have taken him.
