Dude, are you fucking serious? I mean if you said, Hey he's probably a early 2nd rounder then it can be passed by with an "eh, i guess". But 3rd round??? How much does your dealer charge cause that shit must be ridiculous. Edit: wait should of read who the poster was.
Can you point me to some good footage of Wilson? I watched several game tapes and also his highlight reel in YouTube and came away liking him less than when I was just reading what others were saying about him. The speed is obviously there, but he looked to me to be slow in reading plays, finding the ball, and often "guessed" wrong just before the snap, ran the wrong direction and took himself out of the play. He also doesn't look like the best tackler, although that should be easy to fix if he's willing. Also, I just didn't see him making that many big plays. He made lots of tackles but only recall seeing, one, maybe two pretty big plays, whereas with Reed and Ayers, I saw a lot of big plays, not only in their highlight tapes, but in individual game tapes. Thanks in advance.
I don't get the Wilson hype either. I understand he has good size, and versatile. I don't see anything with this kid that makes me want to get excited about though. I don't know about youtube vids and other highlights, but from what I've seen of him, he is a consistent tackler. Sure tackler. I don't see a mean streak in him, I don't see the big hits, but he wraps up well. I think he is super stiff, lacks a pass rushing skill set, and his instincts as a linebacker aren't anything to get excited about. I like him in coverage, I like that he can understand coverage and he excelled at it, but he strikes me as very undisciplined. He seems good against the run for the most part, but I can't remember him being an impact player with what I've seen so far. Looks like he gets absorbed by blockers a lot of times as well, he just doesn't seem like someone that will be very good at shedding blocks at the next level. I think he is athletic, but I didn't feel like he used it to his advantage very well. I'm sorry, I just have more Con's then Pro's for him. When I feel that way, I just can't look past it. I felt way more critical with Gholston before we drafted him, but I still don't think Wilson will be anything more then an average player in the NFL. We can do better. Then again, only time will tell.
I like brooks reed a lot. he seems like he has a lot more potential while still working hard. I would be all for this pick if Justin Houston doesnt drop to us which it seems like that is whats going to happen. He has really good size for this defense and even better explosion than i thought- combine that with a relentless mentality and u get a really good player.
Insider just posted this article by Weidl on Reed (they mentioned Sheard as well): http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/blog?name=nfl_draft&id=6201049 Film confirms standing for pair of DEs "We got an up-close look at Reed during Senior Bowl week, when he was impressive, and during my film study of Arizona's games against Oregon State and Iowa, neither team appeared to have an answer for him. Reed's quick-twitch explosiveness off the edge stands out immediately. He gets off the ball quickly, bends the edge well and can translate speed to power, and he has very good hands to keep blockers off his frame. Reed also runs the tight loop on stunts very well, and his motor never stops running. Calling Reed a poor man's Clay Matthews would not be out of line given the skills above and Reed's ability to close on the quarterback. He's a bit bigger (6-foot-2½, 263 pounds) than Matthews and not quite as nimble, but Reed does have above-average athleticism for his size and can drop into coverage at times. We've had Reed in the second-round area since September, and he's shown enough during the pre-draft process and during film study to make himself worthy of a top-40 overall pick."
I've seen at least 4 Illini games this year and Wilson was dominating. He was always around the ball and was very aggressive. He played with a lot of passion and emotion. I will never give a player a glowing report without passing my eye test...Wilson delivers. Wilson is a terrific athlete and is very quick in a straight line to the ball carrier. He's very aggressive, sometimes to a fault. Wilson needs to play in space, where Rex could utilize his speed. Wilson will not be able to take on NFL lineman one on one. The Jets lack playmakers/athletes on the edge and Wilson could be a force in our pass rush and coverage. I like the flexibility Wilson offers in our LB package, he could play every position, plus be a solid STs player. Sometimes people have to look "outside the box" and adjust their thinking to use an elite talent to help you in a different position. Everyone wants a Houston, Kerrigan, Sheard etc...that have played most of their career with their hand down as a DE and expect them to be a dominant pass rusher that can cover. Sorry to disappoint, most of these type of players never make it to stardom in the NFL as 3-4 OLB with superior pass rushing skills. Demarcus Ware's don't fall off trees. Wilson's size, just under 6'4" 250 and elite speed can project him to OLB. There will be concerns about Wilson' injury, a herniated disk in 2009, the 1st game against Mizzou...he had 14 tackles. He missed the rest of the season. Doctors will check him closely, some may take him off their draft board. Wilson would immediately be the 2nd best athlete on the Jet's defense, behind Revis.
I understand what ur saying about his athleticism but if he cant take on lineman, how is he going to be the pass rusher we need?
There is more to pass rushing than taking on the O-lineman across from you. Everyone is looking for the magic pill to improve our pass rush. Getting better athletes with outstanding motors and quickness will put more pressure on opposing QBs. Most OLBs cannot consistently beat NFL Tackles "one on one" as I stated. They don't have the strenght to beat their man. Wilson or any other athletic 3-4 OLB has to get by on first step quickness, technique and the proper use of other defensive players in blitz packages to confuse the O-line. Our current 3-4 OLBs (Pace & Thomas) lack the quickness and athleticism to be effective pass rushers. Wilson has the tenacity to not give up on a play and if put in proper position to use his strenghts he could be very successful.
Okay, I get what you're saying WW and I do agree that our OLB, let alone the LB core isn't very athletic- this causes TE's and RB's to be open often and a lack of pass rush. I also remember hearing that Wilson was a top DE prospect and that he played OLB before he got switched to ILB. With that said, I do think he could help the defense a lot...It seems like he also has a very high ceiling due to his athletic ability.
True, but neither player was a dominant pass rusher in their NFL careers. Pace had a good year or two at Zona. Thomas was ...Meh.
Wilson played OLB before his injury in 2009. The thing that I like about Wilson is that he has the athletic ability and the proven LB skills. I'm not saying we have to draft Wilson, I'm just trying to open the eyes of some people that don't believe he could be an effective 3-4 OLB. Nobody has given me evidence that Justin Houston is going to be the better 3-4 OLB. Wilson has way more going for him in athleticism and prior LB experience.
Kinda refreshing knowing I don't have to drop knowledge bombs about Tez Wilson anymore. It all comes down to what risk you want to take, Wilson is no bigger project than a former DE, he's just on the opposite end of the learning spectrum...
I love when you talk about players, your educated and compelling, WW. If I wasn't so set on him already, I probably would have a hard time arguing agianst your stance on him. With that said, I'm still not on board with this guy. I want you to really look back to some of those games you watched and be honest. Did you really feel like he was someone that played up to his athletic ability? I agree he is an amazing athelete, but I honestly never felt like he was as productive as he could've been. How about his awareness and instincts? Do you not feel like this is a huge flaw in his game? Is it not something that reminded you of, Gholston? By no means am I comparing the two to make that clear. That to me stuck out as a similarity between the two coming out of college. Those two things are huge question marks to me, and I just can't get sold on the kid. I honestly feel like a lot of people are getting very clouded because they are so wrapped up in his athletic ability, and not focusing so much on his play on the field. This is my argument and debate towards the con's of, Wilson. Not trying to say he will be horrible, but I don't think he will be anything more then average in the NFL. I just thought I would put a different angle on this as well.
I can't even compare them, it's night and day. Gholston was a "one-trick pony", same bull rush, it was almost a carbon copy play after play. Gholston had no heart, no desire to work on his game. Had zero coverage skills and never pursued the play to the end. I had to be the biggest Anti-Gholston Jet fan on this site even a year before the Jet's drafted him. Not many listened or agreed with me, I took alot of shit. What pissed me off, I live in Columbus and saw the handwriting on the wall. I remember hearing from his teammates, he was a loner, didn't care about football. Hell, he didn;t even play football until H.S. and the coach had to convince him to play. IMO, Tez was playing out of position at MLB, he needs to play on the edge. Tez at least plays with passion and wants to get better. He's still a work in progress, but has been playing on a high level this past year. I agree, Tez isn't the most instinctive player, something especially at MLB is very important. It takes Tez longer to read and react, but he makes up ground with his speed. I'm not saying the Jets are going to draft Tez, probably not. I just want to open eyes about the possibility of a player with Tez's ability moving to 3-4 OLB.
I agree. Absolutely. The reason I brought Gholston's name up is because of the Leo that they tried to get him to learn in college. It was an awful thing for me to watch, it never really worked, and he was like a deer in headlights when it came to instincts and awareness. I agree, his drive, well, lack of a drive probably had a lot to do with it as well. As for, Wilson. I think he has a lot of potential but I don't think it is going to work out for him. There are several question marks with him that I just can't get past. Speed alone doesn't cut it in the NFL. I honestly believe his best chance at being successful is in a 4-3 End position. That's how I view him anyway. I guess we'll see. Which is always fun!
Thanks, WW85. That's what stood out to me the most (your bolded sentence) and bothered me in the film I saw of him. The speed and athleticism are obviously there and he has the speed to overcome mistakes he may make in reading Ds, but he just seemed to guess and often guess wrong. Hopefully, working with better coaching and doing more film study will help alleviate this problem.
