No he isn't. He's stating that he thinks D-Rob failed a physical with the Broncos. He even makes it a question. At worst, he is mistaken, but he isn't posting 'false information'.
It doesn't matter what we get or don't get as he will just get cut anyway. Anything we do get can be used to move up.
Yes, i'll take a 5,6, or 7th just get something for him ...although drob and the 4th we got from the saints for their 3rd i wouldnt mind either.
I knew I read it somewhere. First off I wanna say that I will post links with my thoughts on topics to avoid being contrued as unknowledgable or anything close to that. Quoted from article:12 days ago 3/20/08 D-Rob trade dying As you might have guessed just by the amount of time this thing is taking, the trade talks between the Jets and Broncos are starting to peter out. They're not RIP yet and could be resumed at any time, but nothing seems imminent. Why? A couple reasons from what I'm hearing out west. First of all, Robertson did fail his physical with the Broncos, but the team was willing to overlook the medical evidence based on the fact that Robertson hasn't missed any games the last few years. They were also willing to overlook it because they are a bit desperate for defensive line help. The other reason is money. Take a look at this story in the Denver Post about the team cutting several jobs from its operations staff. Robertson was supposedly willing to work with the Broncos on a new deal, but he wasn't able to come down enough for them to make it work. The cash-strapped Broncos just couldn't afford to take on his salary (though I was told they were, at one point, willing to go into debt to bring him in). So was it the money? The bone-on-bone? The idea that Robertson will be on the open market by June? Probably all of the above in a strange brew that finally appears to have squelched the trade -- for now. Ok so this is common knowledge now. I just wanted to set the record straight as not being mistaken or anything else. Also, based on this I don't know how anyone can say there is no such thing as failing a physical? Maybe overlooking the failure as stated above but not outright not existing. I can see changing the criteria for what constitutes a passing grade but the physical is there to gauge something, no? Anyhow the Broncos seem desperate. How much is the question. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=925&line=114319&spln=1 http://blogs.trb.com/sports/football/jets/blog/2008/03/drob_trade_dying.html
There are no quotes or names anywhere in there, and you sourced Rotoworld and a sports blog. "A couple reasons from what I'm hearing out west" does not stun me as responsible reporting. I'm not saying he didn't fail the physical, but that's not a concrete source.
Not sure about that. The law of supply and demand says, if there are two interested parties, and only one item, price goes up, Bengals are also interested.
My question here is whether or not the league offices will be willing to overlook that fact. Their job is to protect teams on trades and if they feel that this knee problem of his. - which he may have already failed for two teams - is too much of a concern, they may decide to veto the trade to protect the Broncos.
Agreed Abs. It is not from a news outlet. But it is information and I know I'm walking the line on this. While he didn?t quote anybody or give names he did give references to actual articles that he got the information from. Which leads me to believe that it is true. Call me gullable. If you have read this far I am greatful. The rest is just apologetics for posting less than credible news. Read on at your own risk. I understand in not giving a blog credebility for being a news source but isn't Tom Rock (not just your average Joe Shmoe) a reporter who has to watch out for his credebility? Which is why I tend to think Rotoworld accepted it as good information who used Tom's blog entry as a source. Still it's Rotoworld though, I know. The context in which Rock wrote it seemed as though he had a good source. Probably from a reporter (maybe Mike Klis who got it from an insider?). Maybe his source didn't want it to hit print at all so the only place to put it was in his blog or was it already in print? It might not be in a concrete place, but where he chose to put this info and how he wrote it and the info he referenced surely indicates a certain validity. I'd consider it slightly less concrete as oppssed to if he were to put it in actual column. It's a hunch. Of course, that's my opinion which is hardly news. But Rock does provide links to actual news reports. Here is a blip from an article written by Mike Klis of the denverpost.com that is news concerning Robertson facts: 'Denver is trying to acquire Robertson, a defensive tackle, from the Jets. His troublesome knee is a hang-up, but he has missed only three games in five seasons, none since 2005.' http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_8607921 Sound familiar? Rock goes a little further with this, and quite confidently I might add, which indicates to me that him and Klis talked a bit but again that is purely speculation but believable nonetheless. That's what I think he meant by 'What I'm hearing out west'. I think he put enough crumbs out there to give his claim some validity and at the same time to keep it under hat to protect all interested parties. With all that said I won't use blogs or fantasy news wires as sources for facts for all those concerned.
I don't think DRob is a draft bust. He was not put in the best of situations for his size. One on one he is usually great. But DRob doesn't have the heft to readily handle double and triple teams all the time. DRog has the fastest first step on the the DL, according to Mangini. His technique is superlative, according to Mangini. The NYJ just won't be able to sustain this pay level for what he can really do for them. If it's true that the issue with the Broncos is his contract, then he has to face up to financial reality -- either with them or with us. I'd just as soon DRob sticks around as a DE here -- we will play a variety of 3-4 / 4-3 hybrid fronts with a lot of changeups regardless of the front. These schemes are better for DRob, and I expect he will perform well. It may be that the Broncos and the NYJ would pay the guy about the same in a renegotiated deal. DRob is going to have to figure this out and then determine which situation is better for the rest of his career.
In the right system, playing the position that he was drafted for, D-Rob could be a dominant player. In our system, he doesn't fit. Now with all the rumors of his being traded and it not happening, I'd accept a conditional draft choice depending on how he plays next season. If he plays well enough, we would get a #2 or #3... if not maybe a #6 or #7. Something is better than nothing.
Playing for 3 years in the right system, Robertson failed to impress. He was drafted as a pass-rushing, 3-technique DT meant to get sacks and creat havoc behind the line. In filling that role under herm first 3 seasons he put up sub-par numbers and a sub-par performance, not something you want to see from a guy taken 4th overall after a trade-up. The guy is a bust, period. He's been a team player but that's the best we can say about him.
DRob's contract is not the responsibility of this CS / FO. But they had him and took advantage of his value as best they could given their overall Defensive strategy. I'm sure DRob understood from the start the disadvantage the 3-4 put him in -- if it didn't occur to him I assure you that his agent was in his ear five minutes after the defense approach became clear. Yet without a word DRob has jumped in wholeheartedly to do the jobs he's been given. I don't think that Mangini would be nearly as accepting and laudatory about DRob if he didn't feel that DRob was doing everything he could -- and making an impact for the job he was given -- for the defense Mangini wants to develop and run. There is no question DRob will be dealt with fairly by this CS / FO because he has given as good a value as he could all along, and they appreciate it. Whether this means he will renegotiate with the Broncos or with the NYJs it remains to be seen. I think the NYJs would be well off if he stays, and they would also have more opportunities in the Draft if he goes. Either way, though, the NYJ will come out just fine -- and so will our cap, in my opinion. In MT we trust.
Drob is a guy who usually has a spurt in 4 or 5 games where he shows ability to dominate. Even in the 4/3 with a big tackle next to him he never consistently dominated. He probably would be a good rotational tackle in a 4/3 but he is not an every down player who should be paid like a top 10 DT becuase regardless of system he isn't that player. Based on his draft and cap cost the guy has been an outright bust. As a role player who is asked to occassionally dominate in the right system he can be an effective player. If we can get more than one team intersted in him a 4 this year or maybe a 3 in a future year conditionally is about right. If we can't the guy is going to be cut.
The bottom line is that at DRob's current rate of pay for the upcoming year and beyond, emphasis has to be placed on the "Rob" part of it.
Tom Rock's Blog Today April 2, 2008 D-Rob to Denver still not dead At the owners meetings in Florida Denver coach Mike Shanahan was asked about the team?s interest in trading for Jets defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson, a deal that has been lingering on Death Row for several weeks. ?He?s a guy that if you do take, there?s going to be some question marks because if you take a look at his knees, he hasn?t passed a physical,? Shanahan said. ?But he?s still played 80 percent of his games. So how big of a risk are you going to take??? In other words, how big of a price are the Broncos willing to pay? According to NFL sources, talks between the Jets and Broncos on a deal for Robertson are not dead but "on hold" and will likely be revived as the draft gets closer. The Broncos and Hadley Engelhard, Robertson's agent, have been hammering out a contract in the event the trade is completed and reportedly have the parameters in place. The hang-up seems to be compensation for the Jets. They want as many as two mid-round draft picks while the Broncos are trying to give up only one pick, a low-rounder at that. Neither team is budging right now, but there's plenty of middle ground to reach as draft day looms
Well the bone-on-bone thing with his knee is common knowledge, and I'm not surprised that would be a big hangup, but it is a far cry from failing a physical. It's a degenerative condition that has thus far not degenerated, unless it got very bad at the end of the season, so bad that he began failing physicals after starting 16 straight games. My guess would be that the Broncos and Bengals brought in specialists who examined the knee and that's what scared them away. I know the NFL does a more extensive physical, but I don't think they involve specialists like that. Edit: Well, after looking at that Shanahan quote above, my guess is apparently wrong.
