I don't think Robinson is a good pick at 6. I see him as a RT on a run heavy team. His pass blocking leaves a lot to be desired, which is terrible if you intend to play him at LT. Hopefully Shell's play at the end of the season is the real deal. Sent from my KIW-L24 using Tapatalk
Offensive line is only as strong as your weakest link. So if someone is getting beat like a drum on the right side, Winters needs to help and well you know how that ends. I thought 1 on 1, Winters ain't too bad. I thought this season, he struggled mostly against Bennett and Suh [1 sack given up on Suh this yr]. If we can get someone better at RT, Winters could be even better.
The salary cap floor is over a 4 year period and not any certain year. They didn't have to blow money like my wife does in 2014, its a misconception of the rules. It's just there to limit chronic underspending, which I don't think would ever be a problem with the New York Jets. Also its a new rule with vague punishment, I doubt anyone ever sees its wrath. Having said that they went big in FA because the fans were pissed off, it was classic New York Jets style leadership. But even if they had to spend or simply wanted to spend, is almost irrelevant when talking about WHO they spent it on. Maccagnan was supposed to be a guy with a football mind, not an accountant, and he made some poor judgement on the players he picked from a football standpoint that makes you wonder if he does know more than the accountant types we've had. -- I had to laugh hard when you said Skrine was considered the best slot corner in the league....from who?????? Certainly not in Cleveland, certainly not from Pro Football Focus who called the Skrine signing the worst move of that offseason and gave this glowing scouting report at the time: "The fifth-year cornerback was the weak link in the Browns' secondary ever since he was thrust into the nickelback role in 2012. Skrine was promoted to starter in 2013 and turned in overall grades of -12.1 and -6.3 in the two subsequent seasons. He's simply been a below-average player over the course of his career, and even though he has played slot corner, he's never stood out." https://www.profootballfocus.com/free-agency-five-worst-signings/ Gilchrist was the fans punching bag in San Diego. They were calling it addition by subtraction there.
I disagree edge. I think he will do just fine in pass blocking in the NFL. His "problems" are with technique and focus anyway which can be fixed. I put problems in parenthesis because he looked fine against that beast pass rusher Myles Garrett who will be selected no.1 overall. here is a video I view Robinson as the type of player Ryan Clady was when he was younger and healthier. A bigger LT who isn't just a blind side protector but brings run blocking to work with him as well.
8 million per is a bit juicy but we have no other choice, at this moment. still do think we will come away with 2 OL picks this April - a tackle and center/guard combo.
Cimini: Brian Winters contract: 4 yrs, $29M, including $15M, per @DanGrazianoESPN. It's the 10th-largest guarantee for a guard, per ESPN data.
I'd feel better about the pick if it were accompanied by a trade down. Sent from my KIW-L24 using Tapatalk
I'd guess it includes $6-$8mil upfront, and the balance of the guaranteed money is guaranteed salary in the first 2 years.
You're wrong regarding the cap. The Jets had underspent in previous years. It was all over the media that the Jets had to spend. If you don't recall, following is a link that should refresh your memory. http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-teams-need-to-hit-minimum-spending-in-free-agency-2015-3 --- Regarding Skrine, I remember reading that Skrine was one of the best slot corners in the NFL. Maybe it was Mac who said it and was wrong, but I remember reading it, because I knew little about Skrine at the time and it made me feel better about the signing. Gilchrist may have been the fans' punching bag, but GMs don't make moves based on what fans of other teams think or say about players. Gilchrist had experience playing CB, SS and FS. He was versatile. Bowles called him a coach on the field from very early on. Mac had to make moves to try to improve the secondary. The moves worked last season. They didn't this season. That may be because Gilchrist isn't that good, the Jets DB coach and Bowles'/Rodgers' schemes sucked, or some combination of the two. It was not a bad contract. You're looking at it in hindsight. Hindsight is always 20-20.
Mac loves those "2 year" deals. Mo will pretty much have all of his guaranteed money paid after this year too. So if he doesn't get back to where he was, he can be cut after this season. Good job Mac.
It's not impossible that surrounding him with better talent will make him better. But, to your weakest link argument, we all need to recognize that this year Winters was surrounded by weaker links, which made him look stronger. Surrounding him with stronger links is likely to just expose him as being a weak link. i.e. when Bennett or Suh no longer have a backup center or RT to trounce, they go right through Winters. I like Winters as a 3rd or 4th guard on the roster. I don't like him for starter money. I REALLY don't like him for better-than-average-starter money.
That article from Business Insider is a dumbed down version of the salary floor provision. I explained in my previous post but I'll explain it again. While its true the provision exists that teams need to spend up to 89% of the salary floor it does not mean every season like that article glosses over. It was for the period overall of 2011-2016. the Jets were under the threshold in the Idzik years but they weren't in 2011 and they didn't need to spend like banshees in 2014. They had 3 years to get over the threshold overall. They could've spent moderately in 2014, 2015, and 2016, and gotten over the threshold just the same. They spent money however because fans were putting up billboards and like classic Jets they wanted a splash of goodwill by throwing some red meat at the crazy mobs
No, it doesn't over a one-year period, but rather over a 4-year period. At the time, every single article I read said that the Jets had not spent the requisite amount during the four-year period and would have to spend that amount in 2015 to get under the threshhold. I think you are wrong.
Solid point, let's hope he continues to improve. I think he's about average [top 15 guards], but they are paying him extra with the intent he will continue to improve and build on what he has done well. Last season, he was owning Suh in the 2 games we swept the Dolphins.
I can't believe I am wasting all my time on this but, here goes, I'm not wrong. Those articles you read aren't wrong either its the fans interpretations that are wrong. the Jets were under the 89% threshold at the time but they certainly didn't need to go wild to get over it in one offseason. So when an article says "the Jets need to spend money..." they aren't lying but you need to take it in context. Also it goes by league year not calendar year... someone signed before March 9th 2017 ,is still technically a 2016 signing. So the provision hasn't even reached the end of its term TODAY, how does it make any sense that Macc needed to spend wild in the 2014 offseason? And finally, do you know what the punishment is? Here it is from the NFLPA collective bargaining agreement itself: "Any shortfall in the Minimum Team Cash Spending at the end of a League Year in which it is applicable shall be paid, on or before the next September 15, by the Team having such shortfall, directly to the players who were on such a Team’s roster at any time during the applicable seasons" https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf So basically they would've had to pay their own players... that's the punishment. Not exactly franchise crippling. While a team would prefer to avoid that, its not something that is going to force them to go wild on a spending spree and certainly in Macc's case it's not even something he would've had to have done right away to avoid!
There is a lot of confusion about the cap floor, but this piece from http://overthecap.com/look-cash-spending-nfl-impact-free-agency/ does indicate that the Jets were going to be $55m under the cap floor figure after releasing Holmes and Sanchez so had to spend in 2015. But I've seen other pieces say the evaluation period ran from 2013-16 too.
