I truly believe with a better coach his dropped passes problem can be fixed. When Coles was first drafted by the Jets, he dropped a ton of passes because he was always looking to run before he caught the ball. Edwards isn't doing something right clearly, and I believe he's worth taking a shot at trying to coach up.
If the drops problem could be corrected he would be a great receiver. I don't see why a different coach is going to fix the problem though. He has a receiver coach in Cleveland right?
You can't be that generic about coaches. Just look at what a difference certain coaches have made on our team, namely at o-line when we went from that boob we got from Miami to Bill Callahan. I'd be lying if I said I knew anything about the Cleveland WR coach situation since Edwards came into the league - I have no idea. I do know that we have an exceptional WR coach in Henry Ellard now though. He coached some great receivers in his time with St. Louis, and I have a feeling he could make Edwards great. Bottom line, the dropped passes are a huge problem I agree. Sometimes though you have to dare to be great... in my opinion, Edwards is worth a "dare to be great" risk, because the upside there is so tremendous.
^ Holt was great before Ellard showed up. Isaac Bruce was also already a very good receiver. Who did Ellard coach up?
he's been in the league four years.. and his drops got worse from 2007 to 2008.. its not like hes getting better and improving his hands.. no way worth 17..
idk, i really think we need to draft a receiver in the first 2 rounds, our depth chart at WR is just full of complementary guys, we need a solid #1. Imo, if we're gonna draft a WR with the #17 pick we might as trade it for somebody who has proven to be a stud in the league. Yeah, his drops are a huge problem but he also makes some unbelievable plays and is a hell of a red zone threat.
They certainly didn't turn to shit because of his coaching. The Rams o-line disintegrating was the catalyst of the Rams offense falling apart. Again, I'm not that familiar with the other coaches. Everything I had read about Ellard suggested he did a pretty damn good job in St. Louis, but I haven't actually seen the results myself, so I don't know how he did with coaching up the other receivers who came in during his time there. Back to my point though, Edwards is absolutely worth the risk. Edwards is the dominating type of receiver who can transform an offense, and dropped passes or not - I'm willing to take that risk. He's got TO ability (since TO drops a ton of passes as well) without the headcase issues.
really??.. and you say this because of what.. his 3 TDs last season?? you minus the huge season he had in 2007.. and his rookie season to be fair.. and he averages less than 5 TDs a season... not a huge red zone threat if you ask me..
I wouldn't blame him for the Rams offense falling apart. They did well for a number of years under him. I just don't see any evidence of him turning someone around. The great receivers he worked with were already great when he arrived. I don't know a heck of a lot about him though, so maybe there is an example I don't know of? T.O. has been declining for a couple of years now and his increased rate of dropped passes is only one of his issues. I don't think he's nearly as dominant as he once was. Comparing him to T.O. at this point in his career is not nearly as big of a compliment as it once was. Like I said, if Edwards drop problem could be corrected he's probably worth a first. As of right now he has a problem and definitely is not IMO. Can coaching fix the problem, maybe, but what kind of evidence is there to suggest that it will. The risk is too big IMO. I do not want to see some flashy receiver dropping a game winning TD pass or a critical first down on a regular basis.
Kevin Curtis and Donnie Avery to name a few. Obviously I don't think Ellard is going to be the difference between Edwards drops problem and not. He may be able to help and coach him up but Braylon needs to fix this problem. That said, I agree with the post that said we need a playmaker on offense in the first 2 rounds. Yes we are a ball control team. Yes we will be built on defense. However we can't rely solely on this and need to start bringing in some young dynamic talent on O to help Leon and crew.
Yes, let's just subtract his great 1200 16 td season, pretend it never happened. Last year he played like shit, that's a fact everybody knows it. At the same time, so did his QB and the whole offense. The one year where he had solid QB play, he played really well. Pop quiz...who was the Browns opening day starter in 2006? Oh, and I call him a red zone threat based on the few Browns games I've seen. In 2007, he made a hell of a play in the red zone with Darrelle Revis draped over him. Same in the 2008 preseason game (the Clowney bomb game).
Kevin Curtis had his best season after leaving the Rams. Avery had a decent rookie season. Neither of these examples fit "turning someone around".
don't talk pre-season.. i really hate when ppl try to verify points based on pre-season stats... pop-quiz.. whose going to be OUR opening day starter in 2009... exactly.. so your an idiot.. im not saying because of his 55 receptions hes bad... im saying since he drops a ball for every 2.5 reception.. hes not worth a 17 round pick. just because the QB isn't great does not justify leading the league in dropped passes.. thats just a lack of skill on the WR part.. im not risking our #1 pick based off one season.. so any reciever that makes ONE catch in the endzone with a defender on him.. he's a HUGE RED ZONE THREAT..
The reason I feel he IS worth the risk is because he's one of only a handful of receivers in the league who can make an average quarterback look very good, and a very good quarterback look elite. He's the type of receiving threat that teams HAVE to double cover on every play, drops or not. He opens up the running game. If he fixes the drop issue, then he is for all intents and purposes an elite receiver. [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTdFUxX7TDk[/YOUTUBE]
^ I think I saw him double covered on only one of those highlights. He's a tremendous athlete and does have a ton of potential, I can't take that away from him.
I was just using those games as an example cus I'm sure a lot of people here saw those games too and remembered those plays. I didn't bring up "pre-season stats" as you so brilliantly put it. The QB thing was weak I'll give you that, but you saying he's not a red zone threat because you totally discount one year is absurd. Yeah the drops are bad, awful but like other posters have mentioned he'll loosen up coverages open things up for Cotchery. And he'll force the defense to play back a little so it'll help our running game too. And the drops are a concentration problem that will get better over time imo with good coaching. It's not like he has bad hands, he looks upfield before bringing the ball in. Huge problem yes, uncorrectable no.
he wasn't double covered a lot.. until last season when he put up 3 TDs 800 yrds and and a if thats the play ace is talking about when "revis was draped all over him" .. yeah no.. revis was out of position.. and usually when a team double covers a WR.. the corner plays underneath with the saftey coming over the top.. which frees up the other WR a lil... but doesnt open up the running game.. not sure where your going with that...
If being on this list make you an undesirable receiver, then that means that you wouldn't want brandon marshall, randy moss, steve smith, westbrook, TO, Reggie Bush, Dallas Clark, Calvin Johnson, roddy white, greg jennings.... While it is disconcerting to have all the drops, I'd take almost all the receivers on this list :/
