That's easy to say, but in the case of Marshall you're risking a possible high draft pick or two so you'd like to know he's not going to get himself suspended for a large portion of the season. At least with Burress you're only giving up the contract, which presumably will have protection built in against suspensions or whatnot, but to say it's "none of your business" -- I mean, I suspect the Jets will at least consider the possibility that a player they give a lot of money to or give up a high draft pick for might go out and get himself suspended.
Yes, anyone can have an opinion, but it's always a good idea to have your facts straight (such as the sentence he actually faces) if you're going to have one. What sort of leverage does Burress have? Leverage in this context would mean pressure that his attorneys could bring to bear on the prosecution, or a risk he would pose to their case. There is nothing like that here. Is there a public outcry in his support? No. Is there political pressure for him to get off easier? No - as you said yourself it's exactly the opposite. Is there a chance that he wouldn't be convicted of the gun charge because of lack of evidence, witnesses refusing to come forward, etc.? No - the case is open and shut thanks to his own stupidity. The only thing we know so far is that apparently the prosecution is treating him better than they have to by postponing the hearing; unless you think they're doing that because they're somehow worried about making him (or his attorneys) mad (IMO a ludicrous idea), that has nothing to do with having leverage in this case. I never gave an opinion on whether he is ultimately going to get jail time, or how much it will be. I have no idea, and neither does anyone else, so such opinions aren't very interesting. What I said was that I think the chances are very good that he'll keep his nose clean during the season, because if he doesn't they'll charge him with the gun crime, and if they do he will go to jail for a long time.
I think Gunther is responsible for putting in those little white slips of paper you find inside Fortune Cookies.
Both are great talents and even though the NFL is full of great players, there are only a few who are above the rest. Yes there is risk involved but if we could get 3 really solid years from either of those players then I think we might be at least contending for a SuperBowl If I knew I could get three years out of them, I would strongly consider making the move for them I just want to win and to be honest at this point I don't care how we get there, just as long as we do.
Pros for Burress: 1. He'll come cheap - after his shooting and the subsequent trial (whenever that is) and the looming NFL suspension he is most certainly going to receive, he's in no position to bargain for big money. 2. He's still in his prime - leaving aside the variable of the hole in his leg, Burress was still playing at a high level for the Giants up until his injury. He's aggressive an aggressive route runner, solid run blocker and he has the hands, size, and speed(?) to make an impact. Pros for Marshall: 1. He's young - 25 years old and already playing like a pro-bowler, Marshall could be a force on the Jets' receiving corps for years to come. 2. He's a beast - the dude is built like a mac truck and he can tear apart defenses like a bear would a misguided zoologist. My Take: We should get Marshall over Burress. Yea, Burress is cheap and is going to be a quick fix but he isn't going to last too long. He'll likely agree to a one year deal and after that he's going to be looking for more money. Sure, Marshall is going to cost us draft picks and a big contract but he's something the team can use for more than one season before having to deal with five other teams vying for his services. Get the young guy, lock him up, and stop worrying about the WR corps every offseason.
Marshall is a better overall receiver than Burress who is nowhere near as shifty, elusive and powerful as Marshall in generating yards after the catch. Burress is older, streakier (never seems to have put together strong seasons in consecutive years) and is much more injury prone. Of course, if Burress could be had cheaply for one year (which I am skeptical of) why not have the both of them? A line-up with Marshall, Burress and Cotchery would be the top 2 or three in the NFL.
I was all about getting Brandon Marshall... but this is a LOT of bad stuff... www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bal-marshall0616,0,870414.story baltimoresun.com Timeline: Marshall's off-the-field incidents 8:05 PM EDT, June 16, 2009 Oct. 31, 2004: Brandon Marshall faced misdemeanor charges of trespass, resisting arrest without violence, disorderly conduct, refusal to obey and assault on an officer in a Halloween arrest his junior year at Central Florida. Charges were dismissed. April 8, 2005: Marshall was charged with retail theft, a misdemeanor, after police in Orlando, Fla., accused him of trying to return a stolen set of bedsheets at a Burlington Coat Factory. The charge was dropped. June 17, 2006: Marshall and girlfriend Rasheedah Watley filed police reports alleging physical abuse by the other in an hours-long a fight at Marshall's Orlando apartment. No arrests. Jan. 24, 2007: Police interviewed Marshall and his father after an argument in an Orlando parking lot. Marshall claimed his father tried to hit him with his car, while the father told police Marshall had shot a gun. Both declined to press charges. March 18, 2007: Watley told Atlanta police Marshall had punched her and taken her purse while at a downtown hotel. Marshall left before police arrived, and no charges were filed. March 21, 2007: Police in Palm Beach County, Fla., interviewed Marshall and Watley twice in one night after two loud arguments. Both said the incidents were not physical, and no arrests were made. March 26, 2007: Marshall was arrested in Highlands Ranch on charges of domestic violence and false imprisonment after another argument. Charges were dropped in May 2007. June 8, 2007: Two incident reports were filed by Atlanta police. The first was to investigate damage to private property when Watley's friend alleged that Marshall hit her car and then threw a rock at the passenger door, near where Watley was riding. In the other, Watley told police Marshall had cut her in the thigh and punched her in the face. She was taken by ambulance to a local hospital. Marshall was not on the scene, and no charges were filed. June 30, 2007: Watley told Atlanta police Marshall had punched and choked her at his condo, leaving a bruise on her eye and scratches on her body. He was not on scene, and no charges were filed. Oct. 22, 2007: Marshall was arrested and charged with DUI after he allegedly drove the wrong way on a one-way street in downtown Denver, hours after a Broncos game. March 4-6, 2008: Three incident reports and one criminal warrant were filed after Watley and Marshall got into a fight at his Atlanta condo. She told police Marshall had punched her in the mouth and eye. Marshall told police his hand was also cut on glass during the incident, which also involved Watley's two younger sisters. Marshall was arrested March 6 on a misdemeanor battery charge. Formal charges have not been filed. May 21, 2008: An Atlanta police officer was dispatched to Marshall's condo to enforce Watley's temporary restraining order while Watley was there removing her belongings. The officer described Marshall as being cooperative and Watley as argumentative, though Watley told the officer she felt threatened by Marshall and his relatives who were also there. March 1, 2009: Marshall was arrested in Atlanta for disorderly conduct after allegedly being involved in a fight with his fiancee, Michi Nogami-Campbell. Marshall was released on a $300 bond. The charges were dropped the following day.
Yep it sure is. Did you see the piece ESPN did a few days ago on this? He has a serious problem with spousal abuse and a violent streak. This rap sheet tells us that it's a pattern and is bound to continue to happen.
I would give a second round pick and maybe a player like Dwight Lowery for him...a first seems a lil high given his rap sheet. Altho if we gave up a first for him I wouldn't complain that much cus him and Cotch would hold down the fort at WR for years
Sounds more like not knowing how to handle his emotions The incident with his father tells me that some of this runs in the family Some families get down that way Some things can be corrected with maturity and some things will probably be with him until the day he dies But if anyone has tried to deal with todays woman knows it is not easy He needs to grow up, but he also needs someone with the maturity level to show him how to do that
I think it was already said here but I doubt the Broncos would be able to bring in a first round pick for Marshall. Their situation is basically: What will you give us for this indicted, pain-in-the-ass WR that our head coach doesn't like and we are, frankly, tired of dealing with? Pro Bowl player aside, he's too much baggage right now to allow the market to go that high.
We can't trade anymore draft picks. We had 3 this year, its pathetic and will catch up to us. No more trading # 1's. Its either Burress or nothing. And since I heard the Tim Hassleback interview, I don't want Buresss.
No one is going to give Denver the #1 and #3 that they want. Our best bet is to put a 2 and a 5 on the table or just the 1 straight up. Marshall is a number one receiver and would immediately make our receiving core top notch. Cotch would face single coverage all day and it would create favorable matchups for our #3 guy (stuckey, clowney, who ever) and Keller. Plax is a short term fix if that. He's an aging wide out with declining skills not even mentioning that he will more than likely be suspended several games this year. I would like to see the Jets stay aggressive and upgrade the receiving core but I understand the hesitancy with giving up too many picks. But Marshall is better than any receiver we could get at the bottom 3rd of the first round.
We're either using those draft picks on a question mark or getting someone who can contribute right away. Having him on the team would help Clemens now and Sanchez later. Getting him for a 2nd and a 5th would not be a bad deal. Less so for a second and a player.
i havent read everyones post but if its for a #1 straight up why wouldnt we do it. as of now we are projecting using a number one on a wr next year so why not spend it on a sure thing entering his prime. even if he is not a mangini guy.
