Brainlessly bash former Jet employee, Brian Schottenheimer

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  1. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    the team we scored 7 pts on?
     
  2. displacedfan

    displacedfan Well-Known Member

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    What happened to our WRs being out, our TE being out, and our QB sucking this year? Or does that only apply when supporting Tanny and not when showing why our offense struggled this year? You say how Sanchez is going to struggle with that lack of talent on offense and Tanny can't cpover for all those injuries but then you conveniently don't mention it when berating our offense for only scoring 7 on ARZ?

    Just because Sparano struggled here doesn't mean Schotty didn't struggle here. They both had trouble and Sparano had much less talent than Schotty ever had. Schotty needed a fresh start and a new QB. Like I said before, I think Bradford fits Schotty's system better since he is supposed to be a much more accurate and consistent passer than Sanchez.
     
  3. CurbYourEnthusiasm

    CurbYourEnthusiasm Well-Known Member

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    Arizona has a very good defense. If their offense was turning the ball over/going 3 and out every drive, it prob would've been top 5.
     
  4. geomon

    geomon Well-Known Member

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    17th is not a top defense. We were 20th. Would you say we were a top defense?
     
  5. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    So you're impressed by the 25th ranked offense in the NFL. Your standards are lacking. Every team has injuries to deal with.
     
  6. displacedfan

    displacedfan Well-Known Member

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    The main problem I had with Schotty was in 2010. With all that talent, we still struggled with consistency. We had games putting up 9, 6, 3, and 0 points. Not a coincidence, they were all losses where the defense gave up 10, 10, 45, and 9 points not even looking at boxscore/turnovers. We only lost one game all season when we scored more than 20 points, the Chicago game. We could have been so much better but our offense remained average with 3 great receivers, a great pass catching RB and RB, a decent QB and a marvelous OL. Oh and good pass catching TE to top it all off. Yet we were average and below average in TD efficiency % in the RZ. That's whats so frustrating.

    We made up for it with a TREMENDOUS TD efficiency % in 2011 with Moore and Plax but then our 3rd down % dropped dramatically, our TO margin dropped dramatically, our W dropped, and our offense stalled greatly when we needed them most at the end of the season.

    We just couldn't maintain any type of consistency with Schotty the last 3 years. Partly that falls on his roster, but that roster was very talented.
     
  7. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    So do Sparano and Schotty. It's like one big suck orgy.
     
  8. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Don't forget Holmes missed 4 games and Cotch missed multiple games plsu our run game wasn't very good after LT cooled off from his hot start.

    The Bal game was againsta top D where our D allowed Bal to hold on to the abll for nearly 40 mins

    The GB game was incredibly windy where neither O could do anything, GB got 6 of their 9 pts off bogus TOs where our guy was down and they ripped the ball out.

    The Miami game the O sucked.
     
  9. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I am impressed w/ how much better they were despite having less talent to work with.
     
  10. Jerseyboyisback

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    I saw this on ESPN and laughed!!
     
  11. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

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    Sporano was brought in to dumb down the entire O and get consistency. Shotty is a much more cerebral OC then Soprano. Shotty was excellent in planning matchup football. He always had a couple of setup plays that worked. He wasn't excellent in base execution. Soprano absolutely sucked at both.

    Say what you want but Sanchez was much better with Shotty then Soprano because at least with Shotty there were a handful of plays that guys new were going to work.

    Callahan also proved he is head and shoulders better then Soprano.
     
  12. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    we still scored only 7 pts against them

    yes I take the injuries into consideration but if Ari was as bad as you say any team w/ any talent should have been able to score at will on them. heck, NE only scored 18 on them so that excuse about them doesn't fly.
     
  13. displacedfan

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    I understood people cooled off and we missed some people. But still that's 4 games with out a TD. Pitt was a top D and we went there and beat them in the regular season. I don't buy that.

    The GB game we put up 0 points. We couldn't manage to get some gimmie field goals or anything. 0 points is 0 points.

    I agree skipping on NE, overall failure from the team.

    It was the inconsistency that bothered me as you just noted. At 3 separate points during the season, we failed to put up a TD. One lasting 2 games. Then inconsistency when fixing things. We fixed our biggest mistake in RZ % in 2011 but then let other areas slip including our QB play down the stretch.

    I don't disagree that Sparano was bad, but just because Sparano is bad doesn't mean Schotty is good. They were different bad. Sparano, more times than Schotty, understood when something was working, you don't abandon it to outsmart the defense. Sometimes you are just better than the other team and you just impose your will on them until they stop it. Schotty seemed to favor being one step ahead even if we didn't need to be. Sparano had much less talent too but we still would have been frustrated with him. The thing with Sparano and consistency, I give him a partial pass because well we changed OL week 4 in the preseason and had our best passing weapons out there for <20 snaps all season. I understand why practice player squad players can't step up in and fill in beautfiully but at the same time, it never seemed he adjusted to Sanchez's poor decision making or the lack of talent.
     
  14. VickBlows

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    Shotty always gets HC interviews to satisfy the Rooney rule.
     
  15. CurbYourEnthusiasm

    CurbYourEnthusiasm Well-Known Member

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    We were 8th chief. Arizona was 12th. Not sure what stats you were looking at.
     
  16. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Brad Smith fumbled at the GB 33
    Nick Folk missed a 37 yarder
    1st down at GB 47 Keller catches ball after he hits ground GB rips it out and they call it an INT

    he had a 2nd yr QB that was inconsistent, I don't blame the OC for some of mark's ups and downs.
     
  17. displacedfan

    displacedfan Well-Known Member

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    Mark had his fair share of ups and downs. This was the season where whenever Mark ran the 2 minute or hurry up, our offense looked worlds different than what was set up. I blame Schotty for the general inconsistency. He could never piece together everything. If one thing got fixed, something else became a problem. He had more talent than Sparano so Sparano, albeit a below average OC, gets more leeway because he had Gates, Reuland, and Hilliard to work with while Schotty had Cotch, Braylon, Holmes, Keller, and LT
     
  18. alleycat9

    alleycat9 Well-Known Member

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    hehe that was pretty funny.

    there is the real possibility that he could be an average oc but be a great head coach. they are very different jobs and being great at one doesnt really mean you have to be great at the other.

    i always liked his fathers teams they were tough hard nosed teams.
     
  19. Frenbar

    Frenbar Well-Known Member

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    Was just looking at some cool quotes and I instantly thought of Shittenheimer and his practice of only running a new play once in practice during the week when I saw this one.

    I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once. But I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times. - Bruce Lee
     
  20. GordonGecko

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    YES! this thread keeps winning
     

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