That play design is ridiculous. Everyone runs the same pattern at the same depth while each one is for less yardage than the sticks.
What type of offense do you think best suits Sanchez and our personnel? Personally, I'm thinking a true WC offense that is more run oriented (a la the Texans and Redskins) not the mut offense Schitty runs.
Blah blah blah. You earlier referred to Occam's razor. What would that principle say about Favre's relative success? What everyone else but you is willing to acknowledge, and that is that Favre was a better Qb than either Chad or Sanchez.
jesus. I did a quick google seearch....it was discussed enough during the 2009 season that he had surgery. I didn't think I had to post every article...
if a shanahan or kubiak ran the jets current offense, we would look much better. if we brought back brian dabolt as the new oc, we run the tuna/weis/peyton-type offense and we still look better.
I mentioned this before in an other thread but I wouldn't mind bringing in Brad Childress. He has some prior history with Callahan.
It doesn't matter what the excuse was, he got hurt in october then played his best football in November. No excuses.
You still haven't answered my question. My claim has been that, if you mix up short passing attack to a ground-attack oriented offense, you get a disaster. Sid Gillman used deep threat to neutralize the safeties cheating up on the box for instance, and in case of WCO, the RB is not a potent rushing threat - he is more of a receiver out of the backfield. Historically, no team has ever done this mix before Schottenheimer - and for a good reason. What you do as a defense is just to swarm the LoS and watch the offense self-detonate. You can't say that hasn't been the mantra with Schottenheimer offense throughout the past half decade; it IS what was plaguing Jets offense more or less. And this is NOT a reflection on Rex Ryan either - Jets offense looked like this shit long before Rex was hired - you can't be implying Rex was pulling Schottenheimer's strings even when he was actually DC at B'more. So I have to question why Schottenheimer keeps mixing up short passing attack to the ground attack. That 5 WRs all running button hook pattern a full yard short of 1st down marker is one bad example out there, but there are countless other examples too - like Sanchez pick-6 against Ravens (it was flat route, and the defender jumped route knowing what was coming), or if you go back a few years, there is Pennington forcing the ball on the quick out-route (that he couldn't throw effectively; yet his coordinator kept forcing him to throw) that was picked off by Aaron Ross. What was so painful during Pennington era under Schottenheimer was that, the defense basically sat on the shallow zone, and that meant Thomas Jones was going nowhere with the ball either. I really doubt if Jets offense during that time was so bad to warrant 4-12 record. Hell. Broncos is winning with Tebow. TIM TEBOW FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. Do they have offensive genius drawing up the plays? I really doubt if that is the case there either. And don't give me that 'He had no arm' excuse either. If he really had no arm whatsoever, he couldn't hit Coles on 50+ yarder either (that he did, as a matter of fact.) It's just that he couldn't shoot into a tight window especially on the out route. That should have been a limitation to the offensive coordinator, not a QB. If you KNOW your QB can't make a particular throw, but keep forcing your QB to make that throw, how do you justify the logic? Last, but not the least, if that WAS indeed the limitation, then full-scale WCO should have been the way to go with Pennington. He might have lacked the arm strength, but he still had dead-on accuracy with nice touch. Did this change ever occur under Schottenheimer's watch? No. So what's the defense for this colossal fuck-up in the offensive philosophy?
I am running out of time today, and you have referred to a number of different subjects in this post. But let's talk about Chad for a minute, since you seem to be saying that Ryan cannot be "blamed" for the current O since it is not that different from what the Jets used with Chad. Well Chad DID in fact have a weak arm. Why deny it? Yes, under perfect conditions he could once in a blue moon toss a long pass, but he had to put his whole body into it with a big windup, and of course the time to do so, with a receiver going down field wide open. So they had a short passing attack because what was the alternative? Not throw it at all? And I would hardly call an offense that went to two AFC title games in a row a "disaster". It is that kind of overstatement that detracts from your credibility. Isn't it enough to say something less than ideal?
1. Pennington at Miami did have all the time in the world to post 19/7 TD/INT ratio, best only after his 22/6 campaign. Right? He had to put his whole body into the throwing motion all the time to make that happen, right? I didn't even deny Chad had weaker arm strength - I also said that there was something he could do even with the physical limitation. Seriously, bringing either Hackett or Henning to replace Schottenheimer would have worked far much better in terms of offensive production (as Pennington showed with his brief stint at Miami; that would be Dan Henning for you.) 2. With Pennington, Jets offense was mediocre (under Schottenheimer) and with Favre it was mediocre. Sure, Jets did make it to the AFCGG twice in a row, but the offense was surprisingly mediocre save the last two games each season under Ryan's guidance - so there goes the "This is Rex Ryan's Offense" horsecrap. So mediocre offense is not a disaster to any play-off aspiring team? Forget the Dilfer-led Ravens team - that defense was once-in-a-decade, maybe once-in-a-generation kind of defense, which Jets do not have. Those examples are not the rules - they are called 'exceptions.' Tell me, if there is any SB winning team that didn't need to produce any high-quality performance save few examples (i.e. Dilferized Ravens offense etc)
It seems to me, that if Sanchez throws to 25, instead of Holmes, it's an easy 1st down. Wrong read by Sanchez.
The safety that made the tackle was reading the QB-- he stuck to his ground and moved as soon as the ball was out of Sanchez's hand. If Mark threw to McKnight, he would've been over there, if not making the tackle, then giving 32 enough time to regain his footing and bring McKnight down. I think there would've been a better opportunity to get the first, but it wouldn't have been easy. A simple tweak would've made it much easier. If Holmes ran a go or skinny post I think the safety would respect his speed/talent and move to cover him, leaving 32 (who was playing way off) alone on McKnight.
As you can see, two guys are man-to-man, and that includes #25. (#32 was on the top bracket) If the ball is thrown in McKnight's way, then the zone reader (the safety in the middle) along with #32 will double up on McKnight - so the result is the same. If you look closely, you'd see 3-on-2 on Sanchez's right, and 4-on-3 on Sanchez's left. That means Defense flooded the short zone with 7 DBs. 3 men rushing leaves one deep safety over the top. I don't know what is the best plan of action here, but 5 guys all on short button hook is NOT how you should attack this.
Schotty reminded me of both his brilliance and his crappyness yesterday. There were a few great designed plays, for example the deception route by Holmes, and I really liked the moving pocket plays. However, when we're 3rd down and 15+ why does he ALWAYS run the ball or try a screen play? Schotty is definitely at his worst when we're backed up near the end zone or in long yardage situations. It's like he gets really paranoid and decides to throw in the towel for the drive. Teams know this and I have yet to recall a time this season when a 3rd and 20 was converted for a 1st down with a running play. It's good to see Schotty is finally learning, at least a little, by realizing that Mark is great when it comes to throwing on the run and moving the pocket. He's finally playing to his strengths. Of course most fans have been wondering about this for over a year now. Also, keep Greene in on the goal line. We can see what happens when he's actually utilized properly. I still have mixed feelings about the wildcat and setting up Sanchez as a receiver, but I like it when it features Greene.
And to add on to this point, it doesnt take great armstrength to throw the ball deep down field. im sure plenty on this board could go down to their local HS field and chuck it 50 yards. throwing a ball deep with arc on it doesnt require alot of strength.... throw the ball a shorter distance, on a frozen rope, with zip on it, requires significantly more arm strength. a 10 yard out route, even from the close hash mark, requires alot more arm strength they a 40 yard 9 route. either way, it has become abundantly clear over the last 5 years or so that shotty either doesnt recognizes his players strengths and weaknesses, or more likely doesnt care and just tries to shoe horn them in to what he does... which, unfortunately, wouldnt be successful even with the best personnel. throwing short and running short, while tipping off your defense as to what your going to do just isnt a sound philosophy. even when you do get the D overplaying or off balance, you dont take advantage because you are still throwing right into high traffic areas
what read? everyone is running the same exact route, short of the sticks, vs man coverage. throwing it to the guy with the best yac abilty seems like the ONLY read. if mcknight gets the ball, the safety is dropping him well short of the sticks... unless he misses the tackle, but you could say that about the other 4 guys as well. and even if mcknight DOES get the first, it doesnt justify the design of sending 5 guys all 2 yards short of the first down marker running routes that require them to turn their back to the defense in a situation where they are going to HAVE to get YAC to convert.
How is Favre's 2008 season superior to any season Pennington or Sanchez has had? He had three good games (Ariz, @NE and @ Tenn) and stunk on ice the rest of the season. DATE OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT RAT Sun 9/7 @ MIA W 20-14 15 22 194 68.2 8.82 56 2 0 125.9 Sun 9/14 vsNE L 10-19 18 26 181 69.2 6.96 54 1 1 85.6 Mon 9/22 @ SD L 29-48 30 42 271 71.4 6.45 41 3 2 92.5 Sun 9/28 vsARI W 56-35 24 34 289 70.6 8.50 40 6 1 123.7 Sun 10/12 vsCIN W 26-14 25 33 189 75.8 5.73 29 1 2 73.9 Sun 10/19 @ OAK L 13-16 (OT) 21 38 197 55.3 5.18 31 0 2 47.8 Sun 10/26 vsKC W 28-24 28 40 290 70.0 7.25 24 2 3 76.0 Sun 11/2 @ BUF W 26-17 19 28 201 67.9 7.18 40 0 1 73.7 Sun 11/9 vsSTL W 47-3 14 19 167 73.7 8.79 54 1 0 117.7 Thu 11/13 @ NE W 34-31 (OT) 26 33 258 78.8 7.82 46 2 0 119.4 Sun 11/23 @ TEN W 34-13 25 32 224 78.1 7.00 25 2 1 103.6 Sun 11/30 vsDEN L 17-34 23 43 247 53.5 5.74 34 0 1 60.9 Sun 12/7 @ SF L 14-24 20 31 137 64.5 4.42 24 0 1 60.8 Sun 12/14 vsBUF W 31-27 17 30 207 56.7 6.90 26 1 2 61.4 Sun 12/21 @ SEA L 3-13 18 31 187 58.1 6.03 30 0 2 48.7 Sun 12/28 vsMIA L 17-24 20 40 233 50.0 5.83 27 1 3 45.1 REGULAR SEASON STATS 343 522 3,472 65.7 6.65 56 22 22 81.0
8-3 at one point is about all you have going for 'Favre had good season' horseshit. His season wasn't particularly better than any other seasons Jets had with Schottenheimer.
right... from a QB standpoint, statistically, this season with sanchez is about as good as we have produced under shotty. which is kind of sad
