No one is saying they don't deserve blame but the D was the #1 reason we lost. We don't have to blame the OC every game.
Good post. But... there is a little problem. Schotty hatred here is so irrational, if you get caught up trying to head it off, it can pull you away from seeing and talking about his real shortcomings. It's the problem of binary thinking. For too many posters here, it's got to be either this or that. But that's not the way the world works. Yesterday was a classic case of the whole team sucking, except for Revis. The D played poorly, to be sure. But the O was not as effective as they could/should have been. Lots of that had to do with execution of the OL. Lots had to do with Sanchez, particularly that idiotic INT that can only be blamed on him. But Schotty does not escape all criticism, either. The Raiders were covering Burress pretty much with single coverage. It is likely that Sanchez is mostly at fault in going through his progressions for not throwing more at Burress, but Schotty should have straightened that out, I think. Oakland went to more zone in the second half, and were rushing the passer to great effect. The Jets did not adjust until less than 9 minutes in the game, when Oakland was also playing somewhat soft, to be sure. This drive also saw Burress making real contributions on two key passes, including the TD. I think Schotty bears some responsibility for not having reacted to Oakland's second half adjustments better. Earlier the playcalling on third and fourth downs at the Oakland 37 was mystifying. It was clearly fourth down territory. Mostly these plays broke down with poor execution, particularly a bad pass by Sanchez to Burress, but the playcalling was debatable. Mostly though I blame Schotty for not getting the ball more to Burress and Holmes. But, again, Schotty was merely one of a long list of Jet culprits, including Ryan. The implication by the Schotty haters that all would be well if he were fired is simply madness. Still, Schotty belongs on that list as well as far as yesterday's game was concerned.
You can say these same maybe bullshits every week of the season for 5 seasons Enough of this pathetic shit already Nobody gets more excuses than Schitty Watch the game - its impossible to say this clown called a good game... I've never seen an offense so predictable yet so unpredictable with madness. Cant wait to watch some more runs up the gut repeatedly into the teeth and strength of the opponents defense when WE HAVE A BACK UP CENTER PLAYING :rofl:
I have 12 or so posts in this 3000+ post thread. Most it related to Honcho and his taking the internet personal, yay. Last night was not on Schottenheimer is what I am saying and if your first thought it was, than yeah I question your intelligence. If you want to make it a larger issue, as far as last year and beyond, then have at it, the fact is he is mediocre. Here have some smilies.......... :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
The defense played like shit, the offense played like shit Just because the defense played badly doesnt mean the offense didnt :rofl:
This post says it very well. Let's say they fire Schotty. Then what will people be saying when the line still sucks, Sanchez still throws picks, and Greene is on his back quicker than a five dollar whore? Schotty didn't call a great game, but the players were downright awful. What? We shouldn't score 45 every week? But we have so much talent!!! :up: :up: No, because the OFFENSE played so bad Schottenheimer gets a half-pass. That's funny. Every time I actually saw Holmes on-screen he was covered. Usually double. But let's have the California Clown try throwing needles through those coverages. Nothing bad has ever happened there, right? Especially under ridiculous pressure, where every pass thrown is made while his feet are moving. What? You mean the D should have stopped an offense consisting of McFadden and...well...no one else? Pshaw, I say. Pshaw! Regardless of Sanchez's decisions yesterday, the playcalling isn't great. No defense of Schotty should absolve him of making some dumb decisions in-game. He absolutely makes bad playcalls during the game. Now show me an offensive coordinator that doesn't. The difference is, with say a Brady, or Rogers, the player overcomes the bad playcall. Sanchez does not. Greene does not. People love to beat the "hurry up offense" drum, but there are a number of things that factor in. 1) Sanchez still gets the playcalls from Schotty in the hurry-up. 2) Sanchez still calls his own plays every single snap. He gets his choice of a couple of plays, then reads the D and adjusts. So it's not Schotty's fault Sanchez is awful at reading defenses, worse-so when Mangold isn't there to save his ass. 3) The ground-and-pound philosophy isn't for the offense's benefit. It's to preserve the stamina of the defense. Running a no-huddle all game would serve nothing but to make every game a shootout, especially since our D can't get anywhere near an opposing QB. What? A 2-step drop isn't enough time for a play to develop? Damn it Schotty!!! Welcome aboard the not-so-crazy train. All of us who can see the problems for the team stretch much further than our coaching hang out here. I like how you, just like the article you posted, stretch what he said as a direct criticism of Schotty. He couldn't be pissed that his QB doesn't even look at him, right?
Exactly. Schottenheimer did not call a very good game yesterday. Not at all. Things need to change. The game plan needs to be simplified for Mark. More blockers need to be put in on running plays, and maybe it's time to start evaluating other backs because Greene can't break first contact. Also, our offensive line coach needs to be looked at. His unit is awful, especially the guy who he campaigned for a starting role for. I would add Tomlinson in with Revis as the only other guy who didn't suck yesterday. I completely agree on the INT. How is this not a bigger issue? I firmly believe that is the play that lost the game. It changed everything from a sure scoring drive, and a nice early dagger, to a momentum shift. And it was completely inexcusable. 100%. I mostly agree here. Why aren't our supposed showcase receivers getting more chances? I question whether it's Schotty though. I personally think Sanchez doesn't look enough. Part of that, however, is the ridiculous lack of time he gets. Part of that is cluelessness. But as I've said before, none should criticize the Sanchize. Absolutely. Part of the late surge was the hurry-up, where Sanchez has to go with the play called, and rather than give the defense 15 seconds of BS pre-snap motion to figure out what the formation is and decipher the playcall, he just runs it. Again though, heaven forbid a bad word said about Sanchez. Agree 100% on both counts. Again, I'm not sure it's Schotty rather than Mark. It could very well be, but if it is, that's on the head coach to step in and say "WTF are we paying Holmes, Burress, Mason, and Keller for Brian?!" This. This sums it up perfectly. Schotty had a hand in the loss, no question. But even if he didn't call a single play yesterday, this team still gets its ass handed to them. ------------ One other thing. People keep talking about how we should have had at least 10 more points. Well, if Sanchez doesn't throw the most stupid pass I've ever seen, we get at the very least 3 points on that drive. Likely 7, which makes the decision to go for 3 late an easy one. And that's only if everything else plays out the same, which it likely doesn't. Oops. I'm knocking the GQ QB again. My bad.
the pats lost to buffalo but still put up 31 points. show me where shotty called a good game? sanchez moved the ball well in the no-huddle/ 2 minute offense , BUt they waited until late in the 4th qtr to use it! why spend $13 million on plax and holmes and yet almost never throw downfield? too much dink and dunk against two team ( dallas/oakland ) with two starting cb's not even playing in the game!
the defense sucked. with more no-huddle-offense by Sanchez, the Raiders were gonna put up a lot more than 34 points. No huddle yesterday means Sanchez can score more but it also means that he'll most likely needs to put up 40+ points to win the game.
Define "good game". Everybody here thinks they know how to call a good game, so please show me what a "well-called game" by an OC is. It's pretty simple how things work around here: the play works, we credit Sanchez or whoever scored the TD. The play fails, we bash Schottenheimer for calling that play. It's that simple. I'm not a big Schott supporter, but he gets criticized way more than he should. The OL collapsed on 90% of the snaps yesterday, yet we still managed to move the ball. Schott had Sanchez rolling out on a lot of plays, which I thought was smart given the OL. I didn't have any problems with yesterday on offense sans the OL (which is becoming a glaring problem).
Exactly. I thought he called a great game in the first half but in the 2nd half our O line played so poorly no play was given time to develop. People love to put all the blame on Schotty but give him 0 credit whenever he does well.
The main problem I've noticed with Schotty is that it seems like no matter what team the Jets play, it's almost like there is no game plan. It's like they come out and wing it then when they start to see how the opposing defense will be playing against them, then suddenly they make adjustments and start to play well (this usually doesn't happen until the 2nd half). This isn't a new thing either. It seems like it happens every week and has occurred for quite some time.
The entire conversation about Schotty, 3 years after people really started complaining about some of his decisions, reminds me of why I chose br4dw4y5ux as my handle so long ago. I don't even remember what my original handle was when I signed on to thegangreen in 2002 but I remember the day I decided to change it to br4dw4y5ux because I wasn't going to say anything else on the board until he got canned. That was sometime in mid 2003 after Chad had gotten rolled in preseason because the Jets offensive line had holes developing in it due to the loss of Randy Thomas and Kerry Jenkins in back to back seasons. It was when I realized that the Jets had made a horrible trade up for Dewayne Robertson who was a second round talent who got hot after the combine and somehow caused us to trade two firsts and and a 4th for him. it was when I realized that they made lots of bad trade-ups and generally got less out of the draft than they should have. It was when I realized that Terry Bradway was looked at as a chump by the agents in free agency, who used him to drive up other people's offers and then walked away. I feel like I should change my handle to 5ch0tty5ux at this point. The man is not going to get us where we need to go unless he has a total system transplant and begins to function like a normal offensive coordinator entrusted with a very expensive young franchise QB. God help us if Schotty is actually successful at turning Sanchez into Chad 2.0, and not a very good Chad 2.0 either.
Just out of curiosity, is there anything that Schottenheimer could do to redeem himself at this point? Even if this offense wins the Super Bowl, this board will still be slamming him every game. We're all well aware of his flaws and those who don't like him as an OC(High, how are you?) are going to complain every time they see one manifest itself on the football field, real or not.
