I don't disagree, but I think despite the feelings of the Schotty haters here, many if not most fans think the absence of a better offensive performance is based on a number of factors, not only Schotty. The development of Sanchez is one big one. More to your point there is nothing NECESSARY about putting up with an underperforming O in order to have that top five D. Rex can and should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time, and in this case he should be able to manage an effective OC and also involve himself in the D.
Your point is beyond absurd. Rex may very well support Schotty, but if so it has nothing to do with this. You don't go to two straight AFC championship games and fire the offensive coordinator. You don't do it after one. What the hell are you talking about? Public perception (read: $)...results, this argument makes no sense at all.
I've certainly been critical of Schotty in the past but at this point I feel like I need to take a step back and reserve judgement for a while. We all know that Sanchez's development was a factor in the playcalling over the past two seasons and that's perfectly understandable (though it was really frustrating to watch sometimes). I, for one, expect more out of the O this season but I think we need to give it a few games before getting too judgmental. We have two brand new WRs starting for us. Granted, they have a ton of experience between them but regardless of that there has to be some kind of a learning curve when starting with a new team, let alone after missing two years in Plax's case. So far we're 1-0, not a bad start. No, our offense did not get off to a flying start in week 1 but I think it would be fair to say that our D was at least as disappointing, especially considering that the unit as a whole is mostly unchanged from last season. If it's week 4 or 5 and we're still seeing sluggish starts week in and week out, then it might be time to start calling for someone's head, but for now I'm okay with the fact that it may take a little time for everything to gel. The most encouraging thing is that Sanchez and the offense seem to be great at making big plays at critical times in the game (usually late) and when it's close they more often than not pull out the win. If they can just figure out how to put up some points early...
THe part you are missing is that the fact that the Jets made it to the Champ game is very much tied to why Rex likes Schotty. I said it in my last paragraph - Either the Schotty haters here should acknowledge that Ryan is right to keep bringing Brian back, or they should make the argument that, despite all considerations, INCLUDING going to two straight Champ Games, that Ryan should have fired Brian. There is nothing absurd about what i have posted here.
No, it really really is. The second you go to the AFC championship let alone back to back years, you are not allowed to fire an offensive coordinator. The laws of the world clearly state this. You don't know what Rex's real view of Schotty is. Rex is very good about never tipping his hand. You have no idea. I don't. Nobody does. Rex has been totally compelled to retain the man by team performance up until now. That performance has exceeded expectations and Rex may very well credit Schotty for this (very possibly correctly) is irrelevant. The premise for your bashing of a wide sweeping group of people that dislike Schotty is total nonsense.
There are lots of reasons having little to do with capability that Rex might keep Shotty around. Tannenbaum hires Rex, Tannenbaum loves Shotty, Rex thinks O is way over rated and goes along, Rex also has a personal relationship with Shotty's father. Why would Rex rock the boat if he believes he can win with D and running the ball. A creative OC isn't relevant to his plans. Why not do what Tannenbaum wants? Why not be nice to Shottenheimer’s kid? There are many reasons Rex could be keeping Shotty having nothing to do with his capability or Rex’s opinion of his capability. Rex may simply not want to rock the boat and he may not care to have a really competent OC around to replace him some day?
All very good points... we will likely never really know the whole truth unless Rex does a book deal down the road or something. I think it was very clear that the owner and FO were very high on the OC from the start of hiring Rex. And while Schotty frustrates me beyond belief, I believe this team can win with him on the roster providing the HC gets involved when necessary. He is clearly not all bad, or we wouldn't have had as much success as we have had.
Your points have a kind of superficial appeal, but they don't really speak to the underlying situation. First of all they are marginal considerations, meaning yeah, if Ryan were somewhere in the middle on Schotty, these kind of minor considerations might play some role, in a knd of all other things being equal analysis, why not acknowledge them to tip the balance in Schotty's favor? But Ryan was hired to be the HC of this team. There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that part of his deal is that he does not have input on who his OC is. NO EVIDENCE AT ALL. That is pure speculation to say he does not have input. Now i know you didn't actually say that he has no input. But, if he has the responsibility, and is not limited from saying what he thinks, And if he really felt, knowing the game like he does, seeing Schotty up close two years in a row now, if he really thought a change at OC could upgrade the performance of the team, and he says and does nothing???? If that is true, then Ryan's balls are only a hundredth as large as I think they are. It's just not the Ryan we otherwise seem to have. And it would also mean Ryan is a coward who is not doing his job. Anyone here want to say that? Tanny doesn't know football better than Ryan. Why should Tanny's view of Schotty overrule Ryan's? That makes no sense, either. What your points really support is the analysis of those here like me who think Schotty is not the greatest OC in the history of the league, but he's nowhere near as bad as his haters here portray him. If he were, then Ryan would see it, too, and he would do something about it. That he has not and does not means Ryan does not share the view of Schotty that the haters have. I'll say it again - the fact that Ryan has not done anything to get rid of Schotty, that he says nice things about him, that we have never seen or heard the slightest bit of unhappines from Ryan about Schotty, means that Ryan does not share the view of the Schotty haters here. Now, of course in theory that does not mean Ryan is right and the haters are wrong. I for one do not tend to prefer arguments based on appeals to authority. But I do think the broad brush criticisms of BS are without basis, and he gets blamed for things that he is not directly responsible for. And more to this point, I don't ever get the impression that his haters are prepared to acknowledge that Ryan, who generally is above criticism by the Jet fanbase, is ultimately responsible for Schotty's continued presence and performance on the team.
basically what it comes down to is dont say anything bad about rex or sanchez nobody wants to believe that maybe Schotty hasnt had the same QB more than 2 years until now. and said QB has had a development filled with performances see-sawing from amazing to pure garbage. nobody wants to believe rex is responsible for anything other than the defense, footjobs and pretzel m and m's. Schotty has had some infuriating situational playcalling, that being said, for every bad call he has, theres at least 3 plays where the execution is horrendous. whether it be WR's not getting open, Sanchez missing WR's when they do manage to get open, or the OL not doing their job. sure people are guilty of making excuses for Schotty, but most of his critics make excuses for everyone except Schotty. if the OL can perform to its potential, and Sanchez gets more consistent, and were STILL having problems. then ill point to schotty. until then I wont be screaming for his pink slip.
Your entire post is right on the money, BB. When are Jet fans going to realize that these so called "restrictions" on the offense are because of the limitations that the Jets coaching staff see in their QB. One of the keys to successful coaching is NOT asking the player to do more than they are capable of. Currently the Jets coaching staff believes that Sanchez isn't capable of doing more than what he is doing. That doesn't mean he won't EVENTUALLY be able to handle more, but right now it is what it is. Shotty has been unfairly taking a massive hit for simply doing his job correctly. Not only what's right for the team, but what's right for Sanchez's long term development. I can never understand why Jet fans don't get that. Ryan has proved that he is more than a capable HC. He has given the Jets their best 2 year stretch in 40 years. Do you really think if Shotty was the incredible imbecile that many Jet fan believe that he is, that Rex would have replaced him by now? Of course he would have. The fact that he's STILL on the sidelines is proof that he's maximizing Sanchez's perfomance
I agree. However, Unlike...Rex, or Westhoff two masters at their craft, you'd like to see Rex helping Brian get coached up, and expanding his game. (hopefully some exposure to Tom Moore will bring that about). There were more 3 second throws in Monday nights game than we'd seen in his tenure. One hopes looking at what worked in the game film, will translate to a 'we should do more' of this attitude.
It's not Proof of anything. It's proof of a level of comfort, let's not forget that the Jets were originally interested in bringing in Hue Jackson. Schotty is clearly not an imbecile, but his game lacks a very specific component, that a team with a young QB and diminshed OLine sorely need. It's starting to show up, a little in the first preseason game, and a little against the Cowboys. Let's hope it continues.
Organizations keep incompetents around for all kinds of reasons. The fact is Moore was brought in as a consultant because our "Red Zone" results outright sucked. It's not like Rex hasn't done anything, they hired 2 consultants for the O this year. Tom Moore and Jim McNally. That's not exactly an endorsment by Rex of the status que. What it does show is he isn't happy with the results but he's not ready to bring on a full time replacement and probably because of political organizational reasons.
This post was good until the last sentence. Get that conspiracy crap out of here and everything else is a good point.
Since when is keeping incompetents around that the boss likes or is the son of a friend or who knows the best pizza joints in town a conspiracy? Its a fact of life in most organizations.
Again, if problems with Schotty were marginal, your point holds a certain amount of water. But if he sucks half as bad as his critics here say he does, and Ryan doesnt do anything about it, then Ryan is not doing his job. Again, you have NO EVIDENCE that Tanny insists on BS staying, regardless of what Ryan thinks or says. NO EVIDENCE. You are speculating. The logical answer is that Ryan WOULD NOT agree to any such restrictions, and at worst feels he can't do any better bringing in a replacement for Schotty. Along with that as others have noted, the problems we see with the O are seen by Ryan to have much more to do with limitations flowing from the need to develop Sanchez into a more capable and diversely talented Qb. In short the relative culpability is mostly other people's. Not Schotty's.
We are all speculating. We may be over rating our OL, our WR, our running backs, our QB? We may be under rating the opposition? We may actually have a fantastic OC who is being vastly maligned for poor QB play? We may have a HC who likes the dip the OC puts out when they go over film?
It is not speculating to note that Ryan is the HC. That he has input on decisions. That this is his third year with the Jets. That Schotty has been here each year Ryan has. That Ryan is generally outspoken. It's also the case despite the Schotty bashers that the Jets have made it to the Champ Game two years in a row, that Sanchez is only now in his third year, and that he's been developing, with apparent limitations along the way. Where I concededly am speculating, but still from logical deduction, is that HC's would normally in the NFL have a great deal of say in whether their OC is retained or not. You by comparison are speculating despite all the foregoing that somehow Tanny loves BS even if Ryan is not a fan, or some such. I think I have much more FACTS in support of my pov than you. No, I am not engaging in pure speculation. You are.
