This thread never fails to disappoint. Let's see how many boneheaded items I can cover. There wasn't a ton of pre-snap motion last night. Most of it occurred late in the game, and it served its purpose, by making the defenders move, which has been a problem in the past. For the last year and half before last night the defense would dig in and let the play begin without moving. Last night, guys moved on the Cowboys' side when we motioned. People are talking about how Sanchez looks better "when calling his own plays" in the hurry up? So you think this is Peyton Manning out there, huh? That Schotty isn't giving him a couple of plays to choose from based on the defensive looks he's getting? Perhaps you saw all the times when the camera would show, during the hurry up, where Sanchez was getting the plays from the sideline? I know, that was just Mark screaming "I got this Brian. You suck!" We don't win without Darelle Revis intercepting Romo. Granted. We also maybe don't need Revis' heroics if Mark doesn't telegraph a ball into the hands of a guy he should have seen. Romo failed to throw high enough to his target to make it a play. Sanchez just completely ignored that his target was double covered right in the middle of the field. Of course, I haven't seen a single call for Callahan to take Schotty's job today. That's good, considering his unit sucked last night. Then there's the fact that Dallas' D played a pretty damn good game up front. Forget the secondary, Sanchez was running for his life all night. Amazing how Dallas gets no credit for that. Also, everyone's precious Rex's defense didn't do so wonderful either. There was a pretty big disparity in TOP in favor of Dallas. Like Eight minutes. The D allowed Dallas to get on their side of the field way too often. But we can never point a finger at Rex or his D, right? Then we can talk about how awful Greene is. I said this in another thread, and I'll repeat it. He's Thomas Jones part 2. He can get a couple of yards by putting his head down and barrelling up the middle. But that's it. McKnight should get some chances going forward. Greene is not a feature back. But all of this is clearly Schottenheimer's fault. He's out there on the field failing to execute plays. He's the one not blocking, or not pushing piles, or not throwing to the wrong jersey. He's the guy our QB is ignoring to call his own playbook. The thread title becomes more true after every game this team plays.
Yes, lack of execution so let's blame the OC. We won, so let's get the case of the OC... Nothing's any good.....
There is a line between execution and playcalling. The execution is something most can't see. Sanchez did leave about 8 throws out there that should have been completed, 5 of which I was furious about. 3 of them would have netted huge gains offensively. The Hunter didn't do well against Ware, but who does? The guy is a HOFer. Even Brick struggled on some snaps. There was push when they played the power game with the running attack, but they couldn't stick with it because they were down by 10+ pts all game. But my issue with schotty is always philosophy. Why is Hunter 1 on 1 with Ware for 90% of the snaps? Why no help? No TE or RB chipping him on a route to the flat or a quick out? You have two corners who are suspect, and Safeties that aren't very good. So why not leave more into block? The Jets have a very good WR corps. If the line was struggling, then give them help. Let the offense get into a rhythm. I don't know why Schotty can't take his January playoff book and use it for a whole season. January is always quick throws to start the game, Sanchez goes 4/6 and is in a groove. He ends up having amazing games. Why that's not the norm boggles my mind. So while I see that the players didn't execute the plays called, there are little things schotty doesn't do that could make the offense run a lot more smoothly. These are things I've seen other coordinators do on a consistent basis, but not him. Its frustrating. He's a good coach, but on gamedays he could have gameplans that are much better than what goes on. Here's the good news - the Red Zone offense did its job last night.
Against a team coming in with a depleted secondary (that grew moreso during the game I might add) There were far too many throws down the field and outside the numbers. Dallas stregnth coming in was their front 7. (which accounts along with the score, for the run pass disparity) However, there were few if any series with 4 wide sets, to force Dallas into the dime. Sanchez completed the majority of this throws where the ball was gone in under 4 seconds. And the int was a good play that came out of Rob Ryan. (go back watch him and Romo discussing it right after it happened.) They knew the call, and Lee passed him off to the safety, which may have been the read, but Lee then mirrored the route underneath and made a pretty good catch. The strip sack was just as bad, that call was to Plax, Down the outside on a double move. Sanchez never even turns to the right to see Keller 5 yards into the flat uncovered. That's on both of them (Sanchez,Schotty). If you're going deep left, you need to take a glance to the right.
good post, Mick. That's basically the crux of it. Schotty has a bright mind, but he isn't versatile. He sticks with his cookie cutter game plan week in and week out. I will give him credit in that he does make some adjustments here and there, but that doesn't usually happen until the 2nd half of the game, if at all. I can't understand why he doesn't attack the opposing team's weaknesses from the get-go. The Jets have enough offensive talent that we shouldn't be playing from behind....it happened last year too (Detroit, Cleveland for example), and it happened again last night. Alio is right in that the Dallas front 7 were killing us and they deserve credit....but, Schotty should've had an answer for that a lot sooner than he did. Give the oline some help (like you said) would've been a step in the right direction.
I have defended Schotty for years. He hasn't had a consistently good QB to work with over time and he certainly isn't responsible for Sanchez being inconsistent. However for a guy who is regarded as "a brilliant coaching mind" he has failed to put together a scripted first series that has moved the ball down the field for a score. Bill Walsh who was a brilliant offensive mind and built the WCO used to script the entire first series of plays as part of the game plan and the 49ers almost always scored on their first possession. We on the other hand never score on our first possession. I simply don't get it. We know Dallas's defensive personal, we know Rob Ryan's defensive game plan and tendencies and we yet we can't get off to a good start on O. And this is not just about this week, this is consistently a problem every week. We got lucky last night. Romo absolutely gave us the ball game and that's with McKnight making an unbelievable play. We simply can't expect to continue to be inept on O to open games and compete at the highest level of the league. Our D is good, it ain't the 85 Bears.
I suspect most of the NFL isn't playing that well right now so I'm not worried. It will take 3 to 5 weeks for teams to start showing their true personalities. I'll take a lucky win early in the year. I understand it's tough to execute with a young QB. The game plan still falls on the OC. Week after week I just don't see a game plan where the O dictates to our opposition out of the gate. You would think once in a while an opposing D would have to adjust to what we are doing rather than the other way around.
The apologies for shotty are really getting out of hand. Lets a legit look at it... to say "shotty attacked with the pass early because their corners were out" is simply innacurate. sure we passed early, but we did everything but attack their corners. the jets first dozen pass plays: - holmes short in the flat - holmes ona 5 yard hook on 3rd and 10(why do we alway run patterns short of the first down in these situations? - swing pass to greene - dump off to tomlinson - short pass to keller - incomplete wr screen - incomplete short slant - incomplete dump off - incomplete short hitch - incomplete to plax on a deeper route - incomplete comeback route 90% of that stuff was either not challenging a corner, a pass well short of the marker on third down, or a dumpoff. and msot of it was a short drop and short throw.... and we had plenty of 1 on 1 matchups with their corners outside. it wasnt until we went no huddle and threw more agressively downfield that we started to move the ball. maybe that is still shotty calling plays, but the fact that he cant recognize whats working and only succeeds when the situation dictates it for him(trailing late, against the clock, etc) is a sign he is a poor play caller. we have a ton of weapons... yet we refuse to play to their strengths or put them in spots to succeeed, unless we are forced to.
i think the time of possession had alot to do with the jets 3 and outs, lack of run game, and turnovers more so then rex's defense, which kept us in the game
Here's the thing, and I've said it before. I don't think Schotty is perfect, or without blame. He does things that piss me off every game. Multiple 3-and-outs last night were the biggest thing, because I don't attribute that to poor execution. That's playcalling. The thing I always maintain though is that Schottenheimer designs a great playbook, and puts plays into Sanchez's hands that, if well-executed, should result in big yardage gains. Far too often guys on the offense make big mistakes that wipe out those plays though. Schotty is not without fault. Not by a longshot. However, he's not nearly as bad as many around here like to pretend. I just have to appear to be on the complete other side of the argument just to make the conversation reasonable. Absolutely. Why we're not putting another body on the line when a defense is killing us is beyond me. I don't particularly like our TEs in blocking duties, but there's no reason you can't put Ducasse in just to beef up the line a bit. I do blame Callahan a bit for that too though. It's his responsibility to have his unit ready and capable of blocking the opposing defense. If the personnel is inadequate, it's on him to tell Schottenheimer to design packages to get an extra man in. People aren't apt to insult Callahan though, so it has to be Schotty's fault. We got as lucky on Romo's mistake as Dallas did on Mark's own mistake. In both cases the QBs made mistakes throwing to an area well-covered. That said, I agree that we need to come out stronger. The first drive for Pennington used to be scripted, and it used to work a lot. I don't understand why the first offensive drive of the game isn't completely scripted by the Jets. If nothing else, an opening drive that goes no-huddle for 7 or 8 plays, even without points, puts the opposing defense at a disadvantage going forward. That I absolutely do have a problem with regarding Schotty. Our opening drives suck. In both halves.
i couldnt agree more on this point. You are coming into a game where the gameplan is so obvious it should be a no brainer. cowboys have a terrible banged up secondary. they also have maybe the leagues best pass rusher. conventional wisdom would say: - dont let ware beat you, make sure there is always help on him - attack the corners on the outside instead we do the opposite, we allow a first year starter to go one on one with ware, and throw short passes to our backs or short stuff to our WR's. is there really an excuse for that sort of thing?
im fine putting some blame on callahan.... but it shouldnt require intervention for your offensive co ordinator to understand that a first year starter at RT shouldnt be left one on one with the leagues best pass rusher all game.... and even if it did, after the first seires of plays, it should have been obvious adjustment was needed.
I understand that there are always calls that we are going to question as fans but all in all I think Schotty called a good game last night. You also have to assume that the OC knows something that you may not, there is a reason he is the OC of the NYJ wink and we are not. That does not mean he is immune to being criticized but for all the haters out there, how many other OC's out there can you name that youd rather have than schotty right now? I can off the top of my head (im not the most knowledgable in this area so Im curious to see what some of the experts might name), think of one and thats MAYBE Josh McDaniels. Maybe. With the fact that he is a total hard-on aside, he may be better, thats all I can think of. Oh yea, Peyton Manning too. By the way who is the current OC of the Patriots?
overall there is some truth to that... but i REFUSE to believe shotty knows something that i dont which would cause him to think leaving hunter on ware 1 on 1 is a good idea. or that NOT attacking the cowboys backup CBs is a good idea. or that consistently throwing the ball 5 yards short of the marker on 3rd down, towards the sidelines, is a good idea
