So Bradford's either going to: 1. throw at least 20 INTs as a rookie (Stafford) 2. play for an incredibly untalented offensive team (Quinn) 3. both
I should have been more specific. I think Stafford will be a pretty average quarterback in the league, not pro-bowl worthy but competent enough to be a perennial starter and I can't see Brady Quinn being a legitimate starter. You guys know a lot more about these guys than I do, but I can't stand Clausen because he's a douchebag. Douchebags don't do well playing quarterback.
Absolutely disagree. This is coming from someone who's seen EVERY GAME OF CLAUSEN's TOO. He had almost no running game backing him up during his 3 years, had an inconsistent O-Line(Which was a joke BTW Freshman year), stud WR Michael Floyd who Clausen played 2 years with missed more than 1/4 of his games during the 2 years. Not to mention that the ND D was pretty mediocre and never gave the offense much chances in some games(Vs USC mainly). Made Clausen play catch up. Add that Clausen played most of last year with a turf toe on his right throwing foot and I cannot see how Clausen was a simple product of the system. I see Clausen as the Phillip Rivers pre 09 while I see Bradford as the Delhomme pre 09......depends on who you like more? Phillip Rivers or the old Jake Delhomme. That is how I view both QBs. Clausen has that ability IMO...and also has that cockiness that fans may not like.
I like the Clausen and Rivers comparison..that is how I would relate them too. I think Bradford's ceiling is an Eli Manning level QB, they have similar play style imo.
I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it. He played great against Stanford, but there were also games like USC, BC and Pittsburgh where he threw the ball a ton, didn't turn the ball over but also didn't move the ball. If placed in the right system, I think Claussen can be an effective NFL caliber QB. He's probably more ready to step in immediately and play in the NFL, I just don't think his ceiling is as high as Bradford.
Outside of me having to then root against Clausen every year, I would hate it too. I do not trust Chan Gailey AT ALL to produce a QB and I think Buffalo doesn't have the proper coaching stability that any QB could succeed under. Clausen and Gailey together would remind me of Campbell and Zorn.....just an absolute headfuck for Jason Campbell to go under.
Could see the Eli Manning comparisons....up until the 2nd injury. I just do not think Bradford can arm it like Eli has to in the wind. If Bradford goes to a place like Cleveland or Buffalo, the winds will be absolutely unfair to him. Eli has enough trouble in the Meadowlands enough....Bradford would have even tougher times. I can also see the Pennington comparisons but I will stick with Delhomme as I do not know if Bradford can contain Chad's absolute accuracy. Delhomme was an arguable top 15-17 QB in the league back in the old days so it won't mean Bradford will suck. Just he IMO will never stand out as one of the top tiers or really be a flashy type of QB.
You're not looking at the team as a whole. The Irish had a bad offensive line and basically no running game. ...just because they couldn't move the ball doesn't mean Clausen wasn't doing his job.
I don't like either QB. If I had too choose it would be Clausen for all the reasons stated before. Plus Bradford could not stay healthy and that worries me alot. To me Bradford has to sit the first year. He needs to learn a pro-style offense and most importantly needs to wait until the Rams offensive line is good enough before he gets behind center. If he takes alot hits he will get hurt. It was proven at Oklahoma, the first two years he had a great O-line he never took a hit, this last year there offensive line was awful and he couldn't finish their first game. I'm afraid if he gets drafted #1 he will start from day 1 and could end up like Chad Pennington, every time he gets hit everybody's hearts will stop. To me its to big of a risk for #1. I'd take Suh or McCoy. He'd be better off going to Washington where he can sit behind Campbell.
Our definition of douchebag is prob different. Douchebag qbs in my opinion are j Russel and Jeff Garcia (good but a journeyman). Ben Roethlisberger is a counterpoint because he's def a douche but he's up there in talent. I don't know, I guess I'm trying to justify my gut feeling about Clausen with shitty reasoning. End game for me is that he'll be a bust.
I just don't know why St. Louis would take Bradford when there is a good possibility, with their O-Line, he could re-injure himself from multiple hits a game. Unless they plan to draft him and shelf him for 2 years until they can draft/acquire a better line. Edit: I'm reading now they had a lot of injuries on their O-Line in 2009, including their 1st round pick...still a gamble IMO on Bradford though.
I'm sorry, I dont think Jimmy Claussen is as much of a douche bag as everyone thinks he is. I think it is just extreme confidence, if he was really that much of a douche bag I dont think he wouldnt have been voted a team captain Bradford helped himself a lot today when you complete 50 passes as accurately as they say he did, you have really helped yourself. Also I disagree with the statements that Stafford will be an average QB in the NFL. I cant judge yet I saw some good things from him this year playing behind a bad O line and no Defense. Also anytime you have Calvin Johnson on your team you have a lot of your work done for you
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JC is the most pro-ready QB in this draft. Right or wrong...Bradford will be drafted ahead of Clausen. Gil Brandt put's his stamp of approval on a player (Bradford today) it's money in the player's pocket. Brandt gave Tyson Jackson a ringing endorsement a week before last year's draft and KC took the bait. I'm just saying...don't agree!!!
Not to mention no secondary or pass rush. Clausen is the reason they were even competitive in games. The poor bastard had no help from anyone unless your name was Floyd, Tate, or Rudolph. He's the best QB prospect to come out since Montana.... that's sad.
lol didn't claussen roll into signing day in a stretch limo? sounds like a douche to me with that said, i think claussen will be an excellent pro-qb. i'm not a big ND fan (although my brother just got accepted into there today) but i think claussen is the real deal.
He had two of the best WRs in the college football to work with: Golden Tate, a lock for the 1st round this year, and Malcolm Floyd, a Top 10 hopeful for when he declares. He also had one of the best TEs, Kyle Rudolph, as a target. They did not have a strong running game or defense, but that shouldn't matter. There offensive line wasn't awful, it was average and didn't live up to expectations (see: Sam Young). I understand Mr. E really likes Clausen, so I expect some hate, but Notre Dame should have had a better season with the offensive talent they had. I think Clausen has more of a bust-factor attached to him than Sanchez did coming out last season, and Sanchez had a decent sized bust-factor pinned on his back.
the better season would have come with a better defense. Clausen had to win a lot of games on his own. His numbers speak for him.
