BPA vs Need

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  1. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    Look, they chose Smith over other good receivers. They did their due diligence and decided he was the best fit for the NYJ. I think they believe he can compliment what they have in the Wr corps and basically fit in a specific role. He will not get 80 catches this year but what they're hoping for is around 40 with a 20 yards per reception average. And maybe 10 Tds.
     
  2. BleedGreen89

    BleedGreen89 Well-Known Member

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    He or Strong absolutely was...depends on what kind of receiver you want. Strong will be like a Dwayne Bowe...Smith reminds me of Maclin or D Jackson
     
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    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    On NFL network today Baldinger and Casserly were going bananas how Jets got Williams as the steal of the draft. Casserly saying Williams can be used as a pass rusher very effectively and line him up anywhere. Brady prob having sweat dreams of Williams in his face already.
     
  4. nyjetsknicks247

    nyjetsknicks247 Well-Known Member

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    10 tds this year? That seems like a stretch
     
  5. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    Maybe you're right. Plaxico had 8 off of only 45 receptions for us in 2011. And most of those were red zone plays. I see this guy as more of a long play guy which he has been typecast as. So 10 is a reach but let's think big.
     
  6. nyjetsknicks247

    nyjetsknicks247 Well-Known Member

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    I like the pick I think he is a better wr then given credit and we have the luxury of letting him learn behind Marshall and Decker

    I think he will be more then a 1 trick pony and people keep comparing to Mike Wallace and noone realizes Wallace actually had over 10 tds last season and was never utilized to his strengths in miami
     
  7. 1968jetsfan

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    I think they probably had DGB graded higher physically but this staff and FO seems to value character and hard work (at least on the top end of the draft, 3rd day picks are always going to have big flaws)
    I think DGB's off field issues pushed him down on the Jets board and the wrist injury to Strong may have pushed him down. It may very well be that Smith was the BPA on the Jets board at that time, or at least close enough to use a need tie breaker. Honestly if you've done your homework as a team by the time you get to the middle of the 2nd round there are probably going to be 3 or 4 guys graded pretty closely together (unless someone unexpected drops) so at that point need's going to become a tie breaker more and more often as you go through the draft. In most years you could make the argument that 8 of the top 10 guys probably grade close enough together to have a need tie breaker, but this year was a very thin year for players that were widely regarded as top 10 picks. Once you got past the first 3 or 4 the consensus was all over the place as to where players fell.

    I do think however that it's clear in this years draft there were only 3 or 4 non QB's who were widely considered top 10 and were a notch or two above everyone else. Fowler, Williams, Cooper, and one other. I think the only guy drafted in the first 6 spots that probably should have been drafted a little later was Scherff, good player but I don't think #5 was a good place for him to go.
     
  8. Aewhistory

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    In theory this still works out nicely. Having a DL with that much talent will be almost impossible for OLs to scheme for. It will require a lot of TEs and/or RBs to hang back to help protect the QB on passing plays, for example. If we can force that sort of dominance then we might have recreated the NYSE! But you can't do that without stacking the line with talent and making it overwhelming to defend against its rush. I love the thought of forcing Offenses to only send 3 guys out consistently because they can't contain our four DLs. Will that happen? I don't know. Surely not every play, but as much as possible sounds good to me.....
     
  9. Footballgod214

    Footballgod214 Well-Known Member

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    Here's what the NY Post had to say about taking Williams in the first round....

    http://nypost.com/2015/05/03/5-jets-takeaways-gms-masterstroke-came-long-before-draft/

    5 Jets takeaways: GM’s masterstroke came long before draft
    By Brian Costello

    May 3, 2015 | 4:36pm

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    From top left, clockwise: Mike Maccagnan, Leonard Williams, Geno Smith, Bryce Petty, Devin Smith and Lorenzo Mauldin Photo: AP (3); Ray Stubblebine; Bill Kostroun; Getty Images

    It has been a long while since the Jets had a really good draft. Will the 2015 class change that?

    We won’t know for sure for several years, but there are plenty of good signs from Mike Maccagnan’s first draft as general manager. Here are five takeaways from this year’s Jets draft:

    1. Cat’s meow
    The Jets may have landed the best player in this draft if you trust the draft prognosticators. Nearly everyone had USC defensive end Leonard “Big Cat” Williams as the top player in this draft. He was expected to go in the top 5. Instead, he slipped to six, and the Jets grabbed him.

    Maccagnan stuck to his promise to draft the best player available. Every GM says it before the draft. Maccagnan backed it up. Defensive line was one of the few positions the Jets did not need help with, but Williams was too good to pass up. Now, coach Todd Bowles must figure out how to make it work.

    2. For starters
    Here is how good of an offseason Maccagnan has had — it is possible none of the draft picks will be starters this season. The Jets addressed their holes so well in free agency and through trades that they went into this draft without needing to really land starters. Williams, wide receiver Devin Smith and outside linebacker Lorenzo Mauldin all figure to have varying rotational roles, but it is doubtful any will pass by the players currently ahead of them on the depth chart. They will have a year to learn and then all be full-time starters in 2016 if things go well.

    3. Speedy delivery
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    One of the major problems on the Jets offense entering the draft was a lack of speed. Wide receivers Eric Decker and Brandon Marshall are reliable, possession receivers, but neither can stretch the field. Smith gives the Jets a deep-ball threat. He is blazing fast and averaged 28.2 yards per catch last season.

    4. Uh oh, Geno
    The drafting of quarterback Bryce Petty in the fourth round cannot be viewed as immediate help at that position. Petty is going to need a lot of seasoning after playing in an unconventional offense at Baylor. But it is the latest sign the Jets have no faith Geno Smith is the long-term answer at quarterback. The team brought in Ryan Fitzpatrick to compete with him this year. Now, they took Petty, hoping he develops into an NFL starter who could compete for the job in 2016.

    5. Second-team offense
    The offense played second fiddle for the six years of the Rex Ryan regime. Is that going to continue? Bowles comes from a defensive background, and the Jets used their first-round pick on a defensive player for the seventh straight year. You can’t knock the Williams pick, so maybe they were targeting an offensive player but Williams fell into their laps.

    Overall, the Jets selected three defensive players and three offensive players, but the talent disparity between the defense and offense continues to be a wide one, and you wonder if that will ultimately doom the Jets this season.
     
  10. Red Menace

    Red Menace Well-Known Member

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    I also think that the spot you are picking at makes a huge difference, if you take BPA or adjust for need, picking 6th made it imperative that the player chosen was going to come in and have an impact.

    I'm not picking a player based on need with the 6th pick and hope he works out, LW is going to make an immediate impact.

    If I'm picking 25 of course I can now take into consideration the need vs BPA because most game changers have come off the board.
     

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