You're wasting your breath on that poster. He lives in some strange bizarro world where he sees everything the opposite of what it is. He thought Mariota and Carr were bad QB prospects and would be busts. There is no justifiable reason why Todd Bowles should be back next year. Only someone with a totally skewed perspective would think that he should be back.
Pains me to this day that we didn't get Mariota. Knew he was gonna be good. As for Bowles, I remember Mangini said that Woody told him he was safe no matter what happened when they signed Favre....well we all know how that turned out. I think people have to pump the breaks with believing the NYDN and Gary Myers of all people. If something isn't working but you see enough progress and fight to justify keeping a coach it becomes totally understandable. In this instance, I have seen literally nothing from Bowles to be excited about. And I liked Bowles when he was hired and thought he would provide some maturity and stability to the organization but I feel as if he's Rex 2.0 with less fire
What good have you seen from Bowles?? The defense stinks, the offense is garbage, the special teams is the worst in the league, the guy is terrible at clock management, and he has lost the team and a lot of players aren't playing hard for him. What exactly has he done to warrant coaching any longer? I honestly can't think of one positive with this guy. I haven't been this down on this team in well over 15 years and I'm almost to a point of where I'm getting close to losing interest in this team and don't even really care to watch them anymore. It's embarrassing...
I'm not defending Bowles at all. I'm just think the other options available happen to also be shit. I'd rather stick with the shit I know for another year---he did manage to win 10 games last year, so maybe we get a miracle?, and if it doesn't work out, fire him at the end of the year-- than hire another shit who the Jets will feel compelled to keep around for another 2-3 years before they flush. Maybe there are some decent candidates available next year. If nothing else, keeping Bowles for one more year to prove he sucks could save us from hiring some other loser who will need at least two years to prove he sucks.
relax -I think we should move on from Bowles but there are reasons for bringing him back. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean their opinion is totally skewed or can't be justified. That just means you have too high an opinion of yourself. I don't think BradwaySux is sayin anything ridiculous here. and he's been wrong and right in the past on various things like all of us clowns here
From blown assignments, to sticking with a garbage QB way too long, to the team quitting and fighting, to punting on 4th and 2 down 2 scores and other gutless garbage, I don't think I've seen a worse head coaching job for a whole season... maybe ever Crazy how we might keep Bowles after this train wreck I have literally seen nothing that tells me he is on the right track, in fact it's the opposite Hopefully we're all missing something LOL
If we fire Bowles, Mac gets to pick his own coach. Based on Mac's track record, the quick yank Bowles got, and the fact that Mac was allowed to stay, the top coaching candidates will stay away from here. We'll end up with a second-tier guy like Haley, who may be a little better than Bowles. But that won't solve the GM problem, and next year, we'll all be calling for Mac's head. Better to stick with Bowles and Mac for next year, keep them if they seem to be building a sustainable winner, and dump them if not. Then do what we should have done all along and put a successful veteran coach/GM in charge of the franchise.
I already said I would fire them both but I'm way more confident that Macc could turn out to be something good vs Bowles who I'm 99% sure is a garbage head coach and just won't ever get it (He's old school and stubborn conservative which won't change) There's no guarantee that they fire them both at the same time anyway so if we were sticking with Macc I'd rather get rid of Bowles now Hopefully they both deliver or both get canned but the Jets don't do things the right way
Yeah but now the fan base will be in a coma and it will get ugly quick if they don't look good. At least getting some new blood in would buy them some time. Now they will be flying the Fire Bowles banner by game 3.
Last night I heard on WFAN Steve Somers show that M Holmgren available Grab him End the incompetence sorry but Mac has the brains to learn from his mistakes...Bowles is just awful
Pure speculation. You have no idea how potential HC candidates would respond. If the org chart remains the same, with the HC reporting to Woody rather than Mac, it could work for or against the Jets. If Woody changes the org chart, puts Mac in charge, it could work for or against the Jets, depending upon the perspective of those potential HC candidates. I won't speculate on what might happen if McCarthy were fired, because I can't see that happening, but I think he would want control, and Mac would basically handle contracts and head up scouting if he stayed. I don't see Haley as a "second tier" candidate. Haley's teams were never as bad as the Jets have been this year. I think he is one of the better candidates. He's experienced, has had success as a HC, is from the offensive side, and has had great success as an OC. He is more of a disciplinarian and no-nonsense type. He would hold Jets players accountable and I'd be willing to bet that the team would show up prepared to play each and every week, and opposing teams would know that they ahve been in a battle. IMO we have no "GM problem." Has he been perfect? No, but none are. He has done pretty well in spite of the handicap of having Woody as owner and with the org chart that's in place. He may prove to not be the GM we need, but he's better than any of his predecessors. You may be calling for Mac's head next year, but I won't unless he screws the pooch in this offseason, and I believe that others here agree with me, so we won't "all" be calling for Mac's head. I posit that we have an "owner" problem and also a CS problem. IMO you idea is wrong. Tying Mac's future to that of Bowles is short-sighted and unfair. Mac didn't hire Bowles. Why should his job and career be tied to Bowles' abilities (or more aptly, lack thereof) to develop players, and be a competent HC?
Gotta disagree with you. I understand your pessimism, God knows, the Jets have given us every possible reason to be pessimistic. I think the list of potential HC candidates is the best it has been in a long time. Great coaches like Parcells are almost never available. Waiting, holding onto Bowles out of some unrealistic hope that some great coach will fall into our laps next year is nuts. The only former HCs whose names have been kicked around over the last several seasons have been Gruden, Cowher and Marrone. There are now 3-4 more with HC experience, and some excellent offensive minds. We have the opportunity to have something we haven't had since Parcells...a HC with previous HC experience. We have the opportunity to have a HC whose experience is with offense, not defense. Another year should not be wasted on a HC and CS that has proven itself incapable of building the team we want and need.
Seriously? Shanahan has had experience and success with several teams. Cooter has been the OC of one team. Shanahan is the son of a HC and been around the game his whole life. While he shows a lot of promise, Cooter isn't a scab on Shanahan's ass at this point imo. Reich would be an excellent candidate, however.
It's cool, NC, I am accustomed to agreeing to disagree with you, and appreciate that you generally have legitimate reasons for your opinion, even if we don't use the same reasons, or weight factors the same way. I've never seen anything from a Kyle Shanahan offense that impressed me at all. He probably has the right temperament for a HC, and he certainly has connections. He'll probably be an okay HC for the Skins. I understand that OKAY at HC would be a massive upgrade for the Jets, but I think we probably need to aim higher than that--have you seen our roster? That doesn't mean I think Cooter is necessarily that guy, but I've watched quite a bit of Lions football the last few years (my best friend is a life-long Lions fan) an I have to tell you, he is getting the very most out of all his players, so I think there's a ton of potential there. My stance on keeping Bowles around is not predicated only on the potential that next year's HC candidate pool will be better (that's a crapshoot any year), but also on the fact that our roster is going to suck next year, too, and we are almost certain to have a terrible record. Why saddle the new coach with that? Give Bowles a chance to redeem himself-- it's not likely to happen, but, IMHO, the Jets lose nothing by giving him the opportunity, since next season is going to be a shitshow no matter who is standing on the sideline.
In other News Bobby Boucher says Bowles is a good foosball coach but he looks like he need that 100% distilled/purified drinking water to get rid of dehydration face
I was in my car and heard this also,,he did not just say the Holmgren was available but said that he was" on WFAN a few weeks ago, and is friends with Woody AND that he would be interested in working for the Jets in any capacity even as a Qb coach " I am a little surprised that I did not here those quotes weeks ago when they happened .
