your franchise is a joke, jeaux. trying to explain away the last four seasons as tanking for the next super bowl run is ridiculous. the raiders have been the laughingstock of the NFL.
I never said raiders tanked the last four seasons. All I said was Just like cowboys and Ravens proved being very bad does have it benefits. Listen sooner or later every team run comes to an end. 49ers, cowboys, Raiders(didn't win a chamionship but was team to beat in afc 2000- 2002) and eventually the Patriots. It happens sooner or later to all the good teams. Every team going to go through a down period,till they are ready to compete for championships again. Thats just the way it is. How many afc championships or superbowls Jets been to lately. I guess we have a diffrent interpertation of what a laughstock franchise is.
a laughingstock is when you're the embarrassment of the NFL. Any fan could tell you the Raiders are a laughingstock. So are the Browns. So are the Cardinals. So are the Lions. The Jets are an up and coming team coming off a playoff season.
Yea you only wish you had the raiders tradition. Lets see what the jets do this year, before you start labeling them anything. (what happened the year before last coming off playoff game 4-12) A much tougher schedule in 2005(from 2004) slapped you back to reality. Again until you do anything(win or make afc Championships) than what have you accomplished. Nothing. Last question when was the last time you were in a superbowl? 1969 Now who the embarrassment.
Not sure if that's supposed to be English or not, but the answer is still the Oakland Raiders. jeaux, you have yet again failed your exam. Thank you for playing.
Not to pour a bucket of water on this forum's rutting bull moose. . . but. . . What Al Davis calls "Raider football" used to mean tough, cocky, successful, and occasionally, dirty competitiveness. The team you couldn't help but hate. But that was twenty years ago. Even the Superbowl team of a few years back - the one that got walloped by John Gruden - not even that team could lay claim to that same tradition. No one hates the Raiders anymore. Not like we all used to. Now, we pity them, and almost wish they were a serious enough team to consider negatively. No, the new "Raider football" is a whiney, inept, quitting, listless brand of football. And that has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the team is winning or not. Winning (or, rather, losing) is merely incidental to the New Raider Tradition. That's just how it is, Jeaux. You know that. We know you know that. You know that we know you know that. But, still, we'll all pretend that this is a serious debate. Only because I have half a cup of coffee left.
Sorry, Jet fans don't define "the Raider Tradition". It's been earned over decades and four bad years haven't killed it. Everybody said the same stuff about Davis and the Raiders before Gruden revived them. Hell, everyone said the same stuff about the Cowboys before they had their renaissance under Jimmy Johnson. Fans even said it about the Yankees in the early '90's, remember the cries of "the Yankees will never win anything under Steinbrenner"? The Raider tradition is alive because Raider fans say it is. And I don't believe for a second that you didn't hate the Raider team of Romanowski, Middleton, Robbins, and Collins, etc. as they knocked the Jets out of the playoffs twice amidst the whining of Josh Evans, etc. Remember how Herm had the Jets run through the Raider warm-ups before the playoff game in '03, to show that they wouldn't be intimidated? It's hard to claim that the Jets didn't view the Raiders differently when the head coach resorted to such a bush league tactic to prove that they weren't afraid of the Raiders. Apparently your team thought the Raiders were worth some fear and loathing, even if you were indifferent to it.
and the Raiders will win the Super Bowl for the next 5 years because Raider fans say that's true. jeaux has an IQ greater than 68 because he says he does.
So you think willing yourself to a higher IQ is akin to keeping the tradition of a sports team alive? You're trying a little too hard. And you still never got me a sig that fits...
The problem is that it's looking like Gruden was the only reason the Raiders didn't go to hell in a hand-basket as Davis aged. Except for the Gruden years the Raiders really haven't been particularly good since 1990 and they've been terrible recently. Gruden's in Tampa Bay now.
To be fair, Gruden is under 500 since winning that Super Bowl too. Contrary to popular belief, Gruden left over personnel control, not money. He won that Super Bowl, elbowed out Rich McKay, and has been losing ever since. Gruden was good for the Raiders, but the Raiders were good for him too.
thats all that needs to be seen. dillusion from the top of the organization to the bottom. yeah theres still a raiders legacy, but tradition? no. tradition means consistently reminding people of what you symbolize through action. and all the raiders have done since losing that super bowl is remind people of how much better their team is than the raiders. nobody would be angry or deny the few facts you state about the raiders such as they have a good defense and some potential building blocks. but you talk as if theyve been to the playoffs and are on the brink of winning the SB. thats just delirium.
Come on. That's just plain wrong. That's like me saying that the Celtics are still what they used to be. As much as I want it/say it to be true, it just isn't.
Hehe. . . . and yet, no one would ever know, because your lack-luster attendance is dragging down the rest of the partnership. Wonderful new tradition, this is.
Go to Ricky's in San Leandro, or tailgate at the Coliseum and tell me the Raider tradition is dead. I didn't say they're on the verge of a Super Bowl. My point is this: the Raiders have a tradition, similar to the Cowboys, Packers, etc. Nobody was talking about the Cowboy tradition when they were 1-15. Nobody was talking about the Packer tradition in the pre-Favre era. But to their fans, there was still something special about those franchises. And when they started winning again, lo and behold the tradition was back. As long as they're in Oakland, as long as Al is the owner, as long as people like Jim Otto and Willie Brown work there, the Raiders have tradition whether you like it or not. And when they start winning again, people who are not Raider fans will have to acknowledge it. The Raiders have stunk over the last four years, no question. But you saying there is no Raider tradition doesn't make it so: it's not your call to make. You can start a Jet tradition if you like.
"Dragging down the rest of the partnership"? Like the Raiders have been anything but good for the NFL? A tad dramatic even for you, don't you think? The Raiders actually sold out 6 of their 8 home games last year with a 2-14 record. and I'd bet the farm that the Jets pocket more money from Raider merchandise than the Raiders do from Jet merchandise. They still sell more merchandise than the Jets, even with the four year slide they're in. How could that be? Maybe it's that "tradition" thing...
Well your first wrong prediction came even before the season started jeaux. actually he may be a boom down the road, just not on the raiders i guess.
let's do a little more. JaMarcus Russell: Not on team, season about to begin. Michael Bush: on the non-football injury list, not going to play anytime soon Quentin Moses: Gone, despite being picked with the first pick of the 3rd round (valuable pick for most teams. For the Raiders? A chance to pick up a guy who gets cut before the season) Eric Frampton: Gone
Is it too late to switch Landry and Peterson in my initial post? I hated Peterson that year... I didn't like how he came off in interviews
