every team has talent. Oakland has a pretty good defense. But a shaky special teams and an inept offense makes them a poor team.
Ah yes. . . talent. Excellent. The championship reign is nigh for the NFL version of the Island of Misfit Toys. Repeat after me: "Nobody loves a Charlie in the Box."
Oh yea silly me...I forgot the "only the Jets can have positives" rule on Jets boards. WTF was I thinking?
Charlie in the Box was traded to New England for a 4th rounder. If I had the skills to put Moss's head on a Jack in the Box I'd show you what I mean. I have to learn that cool photoshop stuff...
This is true. In the short span of two seasons the Raiders managed to turn the #7 and #219 picks of the 2005 draft plus Napoleon Harris into a 4th round pick in the 2008 draft. That has to be the biggest waste of a trade since San Diego acquired the #2 pick in 1998 and took Ryan Leaf.
Who'd know? But, since you wouldn't be referring to THIS board, which has been anything BUT sunshiney for as long as I've been here, I'm sure it was a wonderful thought just the same.
Well one big reason was coaching. It was that bad on offense last year. Raiders do have some serious talent on offense and defense. I think everyone will see what Im talking about with a real coaching staff on offense this year. (Kiffin the real deal) Probably 2008 when every team better watch out for them. I don't think you want to argue about Raiders young defense(that they further upgraded this offseason) Very young defense that just going to get better with more time. (alot of quality depth ) lets look at offense qb Jamarcus russell, Josh Mcnown(very underrated qb that has good chance to be starter this year) and andrew walter Rbs- L Jordan, D rhodes, J Fargas, M bush, Justin Griffith and Lorenzo Neal clone Fb Orenthal O'Neal . Rbs will be a big part of raiders offense under kiffin. Half of all passes will be to RBs. Tes - Zach miller(best allround Te in this draft) , James Stewart, John Madsen and fred Wakefield(swing Olineman /Te) Wrs. 1.Jerry Porter 6'2 212 (take him in fantasy football as he will have monster year)2. Ronald Curry 6'2 215( Leg should be alot stronger this year) 3,. Mike williams 6' 5 235 knows offense and should excell 4. Johnny morant 6'4 220 4.4 (bigger J porter clone) 5. Doug Gabriel 6'2 215(might not make it) How many teams have a fifth wr as good. 6 Johhnie Lee higgins 5'11 185- will make team for puntreturner skills. 7 Carlos francis 5'11 190 burner not afraid to go over middle. 8 Will Buchanon 6'3 185 fastest player at Usc(thats including Reggie Bush) who looked great last year in preseaon. Oline- Raiders coaching staff showed how much confidence they have in personal on oline. By not really getting any one thats going to help this year in draft . OT mario Henderson and BYU Lt eddie Keele(didn't play his senior year due to injury) Raider coaches believe the oline will be a strength. lets see if the two of the best oline coaches - Tom cable and Alex gibbs(unofficial but from reliable sources will be working with raiders olineman this offseason on parttime basis) can they whip the youngster in shape. New scheme as Raiders are going from man on man blocking scheme, to zone blocking scheme. Have a very nice mixture of youth and season veterans on oline. They brought in some key veterans (Jeremy Newberry, Cooper carlise and Ben Claxton) who know cable system very well.(make transition alot smoothier) The offense system- a Hybrid WCo will make the Job alot easier for the olineman.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. . . . . that's the stuff. Even still, don't try to butter me up. *Tap* *Tap* *Tap* *Tap*
Yea on paper that wasn't a good trade for raiders. Still when you look at what the Viking's got for that trade. Wr Troy Williamson(bust at #7) Napolean harris(didn't do anything with Vikings) and late round pick that didn't pan out for Vikings either. Neither team came out ahead on that deal. The Trade of randy Moss was not about trying to get equal value back.(they didn't) It was about creating salary cap space and getting rid of a cancer. It was an addition by subtraction. sort of what J Gruden did when he first took over as raider coach.(chester Mcglockton)
on paper it wasn't a good trade? They traded away a top 10 pick, a starting LB, plus more for a guy that all he did was steal money from the Raiders. The fact that the Vikings botched the 7th pick has nothing to do with the trade. The 7th pick was valuable.
What are talking about when you judging any trade, you have to look at what was recieved in the deal. Napolean harris(now with chiefs) , and troy williamson. Anyone can look in hindsight and say now what the Viking should have done. Raiders still have John Bowie(developmental Cb with blazing speed) Thats more that what the vikings have left for R moss trade. Btw - By trading away that starting lB, Raiders opened up a position for Kirk morrison. a Lb trio of thomas Howard, kirk morrison and Sam williams/Robert thomas is a big time upgrade to napolean harris. They don't trade Harris and they possible don't have that LB corp today.
He has since been coached by someone who wasn't in the Black Hole Of Coaching. You really need to stop making predictions, jeaux. I know it's tempting, but stepping in dogshit over and over again only makes you taller for a while until the dried poo falls off your limited edition black and silver Keds. Then you gotta take the Express Pumpkin back to Midgetville.
And what was the seventh pick(troy williamson). Thats what Vikings got for randy moss. Troy williamson and Napolean harris. Thats all you can do when judging a trade. See what both teams got. yea Now in hindsight you can say troy williamson should never have been the seventh pick. Like Jets should never have traded up for robertson.(who hasn't lived up to hype)
nice cheap shot, joe. We're not looking at whether the Vikings did well. We're looking at how the Raiders did. The Raiders traded the 7th pick, a young starting LB, and a late pick for Moss, paid Moss like $16 million to dog it for two years, and then traded Moss to an AFC rival for a 4th. Brilliant move. Really brilliant. screw hindsight. I, like many others, knew Williamson didn't have the track record to merit the 7th overall pick. But just because Minnesota blew the pick (Minnesota has become known for botching the first round) DOESN'T MEAN THE SEVENTH PICK WAS WORTHLESS. Who was available? Ware, Merriman, Jammal Brown, Derrick Johnson, Alex Barron, and many more.
Comeon thats like sayiing why did you take Ken Obrien when dan Marino was available. Why did you take Browning nagle when brett favre was available. You can't deal in what Ifs but what happened. Troy williamson was the pick and thats the only thing you can look at andf what any historian will look at while trying to evaluate that trade. B y trading for Randy moss and have two of the worst years Raiders were able to get potential a franchise QB(jamarcus Russell). Not to mention some serious talent(M Huff, Thomas Howard, Jamarcus Russell, Zach Miller, Michael Bush and Q Moses, that are going to big parts when raiders win a championship. Dallas and raven Dynasty teams were built on being very bad for a couple years. Thanks randy moss . Btw- Do you think napolean harris could crack raiders starting lineup at LB. Without trading him, Raiders lb corp is alot diffrent today.
Wrong. Any smart historian will look at the trade as the 7th overall pick, not Troy Williamson. Williamson was not part of the trade. What the Vikings ultimately did with the pick was unrelated to their trading for the pick. So you're saying your team's strategy is to tank their way into success. Excellent. I hope you're proud, jeaux. But either way, you don't need a whiny overpaid WR to tank. You can just as easily tank with raiderjeaux off the street. That way when he doesn't catch a ball the entire game, he can taunt the DBs with 40 times.
