your point is not his point, which is my point. :smile: I have no problem with the Yankees being singled out for spending the most, because they do, and it isn't close. The Mets and Red Sox are usually in the top 5 as well, but there's still a big difference. Go back to what he said. He claimed the Mets only spend 40 million less (false) and that makes them comparable so they can't complain. Do you want to argue that $74 million a year isn't significant? Your argument is the Mets should be spending more, don't blame the Yankees for spending their money,etc. Fine. But that doesn't change the fact that the Yankees do spend significantly more than the other big market teams (Mets, Dodgers, Angels, Cubs, White Sox). Do the other big market teams spend significantly more than say the Marlins? Yes. But that isn't the point here. It's not comparable. You can't say the Yankees in terms of spending are like the other big market teams, which was his claim. Your argument is very different.
Sorry, I thought the Mutts were in 2nd. It's actually the Red Sox at $162 million. And we'll have to agree to disagree because in my opinion there are the rich (NYY, NYM, BOS, LAA, LAD, DET, CHC, CHW, PHI) and the poor (FLA, MIL, CLE, SD, OAK, etc.) and everybody else. You can place the NYY in their own category if you want, but to an Indians fan it's all the same. The Red Sox have the same ability to take an Indians FA as the Yanks do.
yeah, NYY is in their own category it's the very rich, the rich (other big market teams), the middle market teams (maybe minnesota, st. louis, etc.), then the poor. Alternatively, you can split the poor into "poor" and "very poor", to create five categories total
You could create 30 fuckin categories if you wanted. You're missing my point. Whatever, carry on Yis.
As an interesting extension of this conversation, a former TGG poster (FITM) posted an update on Twitter earlier today that the Mets have 7 players on their roster currently making $100M. There's the problem with other teams spending big money. You can obviously say Santana deserves his cash, and make a good argument for Wright, but who else on that list honestly lives up to their payday? If I were a Mets fan I'd be glad they don't spend as much as the Yankees. They'd have to charge $150 per seat to watch from the parking lot.
No I'm not missing your point. Your point was that other big market teams spend about as much as the Yankees, so the Yankees should not be singled out. That is incorrect. Then you said to teams that don't spend a lot, it's the same whether it's the Red Sox or Yankees because either team has the capability to sign away the "poor" team's free agents. Maybe, but that's irrelevant. It's disingenuous to lump together the Yankees with teams like the Dodgers and Cubs, who have payrolls at far lower amounts. Wherever you want to put the blame (baseball for not imposing a cap, other owners for not spending more money), the fact is that it's not comparable, no matter what you want to say. If your point was something other than "When discussing teams that spend a lot, the Yankees shouldn't be singled out because other big market teams spend roughly the same", then you should've said so to begin with.
Argh. I'm saying that my point is the only one that really matters in any meaningful way. The rest is just nitpicking.
I don't root for injury, even to enemies, but it's hard to shed a tear for Youk or Sawx Nation. It's once again a two team race in the AL East.
I feel exactly the same way. I never, ever root for a player to get injured, but if someone had to be out for the season it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy I'm excited for the upcoming series. Hopefully the Yankees can smell the blood in the water, and kill Boston's season once and for all.
i never ever root for injuries, except for douches on the red sox i fucking despise and could give a fuck about their well being.
No, it wasn't. My point was that most people single out the NYY for spending big dollars AS IF they are the only team that's doing it. I never once said other big markets spend "about as much" as the Yankees yearly. And yeah, I mixed up the Mets and the Red Sox in my previous example. No it's not irrelevant because THAT'S my point. The big markets are all capable of, and guilty of, hashing out big bucks to snag FAs from small market clubs. 2010 offseason most spent: 1. Red Sox 2. Cardinals 3. Mets 4. Brewers 5. LA Angels The NYY are spending, but they aren't the only ones. THAT was my point.
Errr, of course they're not the only team spending. No one ever said the Yankees were the only team signing big free agents.
Why is this argument still going? The Yankees spend more than anyone else overall. That's knowledge as common as knowing the Earth is round. The only thing that matters is that the Yankees spend well no matter what they spend. Bad deals are very rare for the organization over the past decade and a half.
Go with your strengths, I always say. In any case, Pavano is a pretty poor example. That was a bad deal in hindsight because Pavano never stayed healthy enough to pitch. But $10M/year for four years was hardly out of line with the market. No one at the time said, "OMG! THE YANKEES ARE OVERPAYING AGAIN!" You'd be better off pointing to the A-Rod deal (aka Hank's Last Stand). They're going to be hating that one by 2015, if not sooner.
I think they're hating it already, because part of it was premised on the home run chase, and then of course the steroids stuff came out, putting quite a damper on it. While he's still one of the better third basemen around, he's been showing that he's seriously declined as well.
