Bleacher Report: Root Cause of QB's Dropping In The Draft

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  1. All Gas No Shake

    All Gas No Shake Well-Known Member

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    so you would have traded a first a first round pick for alex smith?
     
  2. Win4ever

    Win4ever New Member

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    Smith can be good in a system, but I don't think he'd be anywhere near as good in our system.

    For one, he relies heavily on TE as his check down option (and we saw this with both Walker and Davis taking a big drop in value once Kapernick took over. We don't have any capable TE right now. So to just fit in Smith, we would have to draft a TE (presumably in the first round) to pair with Smith.

    Second, our offensive line isn't as good as the one in SF. Part of the reason Smith improved from his past is because they have much better blockers, giving him a better option at finding his WR or TE. He wouldn't get nearly as much time here.

    Third, their running game was better than ours as well. Having a feature back like Gore can take a lot of pressure off, as we see with Sanchez and how he went in the tank as soon as the quality of our RBs decreased. So to equal that, we would have to pick a highly rated RB and hope he hits as well.

    So not only would Smith cost us a high pick (lets just assume our second for arguments sake, and take the Chiefs out of it), we would have to spend our first on a TE, our other first on an OL, and most likely our 3rd on a RB who may or may not be great. We would've had to spend essentially the top half our draft just based on Smith.

    The money is a problem for a team like the Jets though. They have to save money somewhere. Pretty soon Wilkerson is going to get paid as well, and we have many holes. I'd rather take a shot at Geno becoming good at a low salary, than Alex Smith staying good at a high salary, because we'd be able to surround Geno with better talent.

    Before Harbough got there, Smith was just a league average QB, and Harbough is a very good QB system coach. Assuming the downgrade from him, we'd be paying high money AND picks for what could conceivably be a league average QB. Is he better than Sanchez? Absolutely. I can't name too many QBs that aren't better than Sanchez. But with the Jets and their roster situation, they have to build from within and from the cheap. It's the salary cap that holds them back. SF resigned him, because they had a great team around him.

    Smith, IMO, would've led us to an 8-8 record, maybe 9-7 if things broke right, but nothing more. He wasn't going to get us over the top, so it's not worth it to take that kind of plunge for him. We may very well end up at 4-12 with Geno if things go wrong, but atleast we'll have a better pick to correct it. With the league being a QB heavy league and with the amount of money they get paid, you almost have to hit right on a draft choice and build a team around him while he's underpaid to be competitive year in and year out. SF did it. GB, NY, NE, Indy, etc. They all became contenders that way. Then when the QB got expensive, they cut back on other areas, and the QB was able to carry them.

    Look what happened to the Chargers. When Rivers was cheap, their offense was a force, but as he needed to get paid, the weapons diminished. Look at the Ravens, as soon as Flaco got paid, they had to get rid of his No. 2 WR.

    Right now, our offense is in shambles and recovering. Adding a high paid QB isn't going to rescue it, so we're better off trying to see if Geno Smith can be a diamond in the rough.
     
  3. NJBeliever

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    We have a system?? lol.

    If you're talking about the WCO, it's probably the single best offense he could be playing in to transition from what he ran last year.
     
  4. Win4ever

    Win4ever New Member

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    It could be, but it's not what he ran last year. He didn't take advantage of his WRs much at all last year (and they took off once he was benched), and relied heavily on TE. WCO offense features more WR quick passes, so I'm not really sure he's going to fit in all that well to be honest. Possible? Sure, but I wouldn't think it's a given.

    If we had two really good TE, and a running game, then he would've been a nice fit. But if we had two good TE, and a running game, a lot of QBs could do well with us.

    Lol, and last year, our system was the defensive score system. Keep giving the ball back to the other team and hope one of our DBs catches a ball and runs it back.
     
  5. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    You haven't been a Jets fan for long. If you had you'd be thinking of names like Boomer Esiason and Neil O'Donnell in connection with Alex Smith.

    Both of those guys came onto Jets teams in transition and neither of them was even close to a solution.
     
  6. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    I predict Alex Smith fails in KC. Something just smells bad about Alex Smith. I remember when Kapernick scored a TD; on his first night as a named starter and the cameras showed the only S.F. player not celebrating, Alex Smith. He outright lost his job because he couldn't take his team to the next level. He's weak; playing well, only, when propped up on the shoulder of Jim Harbaugh. A lot of wasted energy spent by Harbaugh trying to get smith to play with confidence.

    Just my $.02
     
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  7. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    I don't understand the Alex Smith love here, I really don't
     
  8. varjao

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    Actually I'm not a Jets fan at all, but I like this board.
     
  9. neid92

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    The root cause was this years class of QBs was not the greatest. Should be interesting next year to see what is available an how many QBs go in the first round.
     
  10. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    regardless of what team it is, alex smith is not a franchise qb. teams trying o be contenders shouldn't do anything it takes to acquire the alex smiths of the world.k.c. pretty much admitted they are ok with a jag for a 2nd round pick. the jets are hoping for more out of theirs
     
  11. Br4d

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    I think the root cause was that we had Andrew Luck and RGIII last year and everybody in this year's draft looked like a distinct step down.

    Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers had people sticking their fingers down their throat also the year after Eli, Rivers and Big Ben. Rodgers is better than any of those guys but he sure didn't look it coming out of college.

    Most of the QB's in this class went just about where they should have gone. Geno fell some and Manuel rose some. Barkley probably should have gone in the 2nd. Other than that they're where they should be.

    The other thing that's really important is that I'm pretty sure that you can take any QB who has the skills to have a 2nd round grade and turn him into a near franchise QB if not the real deal. You have to have a tremendous amount of resources focused on doing that but it's doable.

    The Jets could have turned Kellen Clemens into a franchise QB if they focused the whole organization on making that happen. It's just hard to do that for a 2nd round pick. You can't invest the number of picks around him to make sure the talent level is high and also have the entire offense re-written to flow around him according to his needs.

    The Colts did this with Peyton Manning. They actually spent a ton of picks to keep talent levels around him very high and they re-wrote the entire offense to be Peyton specific. They effectively became the Indianapolis Peytons. They did this because he was an insanely good prospect and they just went all-in. They got rid of Marshall Faulk because he was unhappy that they'd become the Indianapolis Peytons with a future hall of fame RB in the backfield also.
     
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  12. Bills over Jets

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    Gosh, I realize that draftnicks and amateurs dont have the ability to talk to the quarterbacks and their coaches, but it is really getting old reading about how they perceive Manuel to basically be "stupid" because of the little they see on film, without knowing what his mental makeup is, and without knowing what his coaches asked him to do.

    I can't fault us amateurs, the Bills even said themselves that during the college season Manuel wasn't on their radar because they saw he only read half the field and then ran. Everyone assumed he didnt have the intelligence and obviously that is not an attractive trait to see in a QB.

    However, it wasnt until they met with his coaches and got the opportunity to interview the kid and test him on the board they realized their assumptions were wrong. They found out that his coaches told him to only make 2 reads and run because the kid was so athletic and could make plays with his feet, they didnt want him sitting in the pocket. Nix said they tested all the QB's intelligence by making them go up on the drawing board. They gave them tests, routes, combos, defenses, etc., and said Manuel was the best QB they had in terms of intelligence. That's when they realized Manuel was their guy.

    I get that we dont have the opportunity to know all of that ourselves, but making blanket assumption like this guy does really does a disservice to the readers by giving us misinformation.

    You also lose credibility by saying we traded for Kolb when we didnt.
     
  13. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    These teams like Oakland, Arizona etc played it smart IMO. Draft a young QB and let them sit while they groom them. They have vets starting as stop gaps in the mean time. Honestly years from now KC and all these teams are gonna regret passing on Geno which bodes well for us.
     
  14. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Drafting and developing a capable backup is a great strategy for any team. Why leave one of the most important positions on the team occupied by somebody who failed somewhere else before getting to you? Homegrown backups have a lot less baggage and by definition they know your system inside out.
     

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