Blackout of Jets Games ? Will NEVER happen....here's why

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  1. JetsKickAss

    JetsKickAss Well-Known Member

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    My additional cost-per ticket is still valid even if you buy the PSL on time over 15 years.....you pay more over time with interest, just lay out less money up-front. Same thing from a time value of money POV.

    Bottom Line: when you add together the PSL per-game/per-ticket cost to the actual ticket price, those tickets in the Club section are close to $1,000 each per game, which is -- what ? -- almost 10x what they cost at Giants Stadium ? Unreal....
     
  2. TurkJetFan

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    the jets will simply not allow a game to be blacked out.

    frankly, woody has really pushed it with these unrelenting PSLs. With the economy the way it is its honestly a mockery of peoples actual lives. Some people have had tickets in their families for generations and now they lost them.

    Expect the Jets to push this as far as possible. To be honest the Jets will find themselves in a situation where they will have to sell discounted game tickets and will have to buy the rest from themselves. And to be honest I hope that happens.
     
  3. JetsKickAss

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    If the Jets/Giants had moved on the stadium 3 years sooner, this never happens.

    The economy would not have been an issue a few years ago and some HUGE firms that went under would be buying at both the corporate and individual level. Between Lehman Bros, Bear Stearns, and Merrill Lynch both the Jets and Giants probably lost at least 500-1,000 PSLs each (maybe more).

    Throw in the damage to the economy to smaller firms and I suspect the Giants would be 100% sold out as of this time and the Jets would be no worse off than where the Giants are now.

    And keep this in mind: the Jets are getting killed by the stadium not being anywhere near their fans home base in Long Island/Queens. How do you think Giant PSL sales would be going if the new joint stadium had been built in Suffolk County, Long Island ???
     
  4. RMorin

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    You are wrong. From the New York Post "from the Leagues Blackout policy “non-premium” seats — seats not in suites or club sections — must be sold for the game to be shown on local TV." That does not include PSL seats.

    Also, while the antitrust argument that some people have brought up has some weight to it, it is still relatively unsound in the context of the owners of small market teams. If I am the Jaguars or Raiders owner I would be pissed as hell at NFL if I had my local broadcast blacked out, when just because its New York, the Jets have different rules. Where is the tipping point? If the Dolphins, in a much bigger city then the Jaguars, but still have trouble selling seats get blacked out will there be exceptions even though these teams are in the same state? What about a team like Atlanta?

    Oakland already has blackouts, no congressional intervention there. These are all teams that have trouble moving tickets, and many more may be added to this list as the effects of a down economy are further felt. This is blatant elitism, to say "New York can't have a black out, but Miami, Atlanta, Oakland, and Detroit can" and owners will not stand for it. The NFL will not be making an exception. New England-Giants on the NFL network in 2007 was a prime time historical game featuring an undefeated team, definitely a different situation then us playing a team like Buffalo at 1pm on in a meaningless game. Either they will absolve the rule completely for everyone, or we will see a black out in greater New York.
     
  5. rgoltsch

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    It's all about money. If it is worth more to the league that the Jets aren't blacked out, the rules will change so the games are shown.

    If the league considers the needs of Woody and the team, they will allow the games to be blacked out.

    It really is as simple as that.

    The league decided the Giants were going to play first at the new place, so they had the secret coin toss. The league decided they wanted a great Monday night opener, so they "Gave in" to the Jets and gave them the first Monday night game and the Thanksgiving evening night game at home.

    Think about it, how many times over the last few years did you hear anything about the Thanksgiving night game opponents from the national press? They got lots of press from the "spat". I read about it in a paper in Minneapolis when I was there on business. It is on talk radio.

    Now, it is May. The Yankees' and Mets' seasons are kicking into high gear, the NBA and NHL playoffs are running, and we are seeing almost daily stories about the Jets ticket sales. There was even a non-story about some missing Giants seats in the Post today.

    All of the posturing is simply raising awareness of football at a time where there usually is none. I would like to see the Jets sell out so they can have a loud stadium at gametime. A loud crowd can only help the home team.

    Remember how the Yankees handled the issue with their empty seats behind home plate last year? They couldn't lower the prices mid-season, as it would really tick off the folks that paid full price. So they offered the open seats to their exisiting ticketholders and to a lot of their vendors and sponsors. The seats got filled. No big uproar.

    Losing the sale of 10,000 seats at say an average of $200 per seat means they $2 mil per game. Let's say they sell half those before the season starts, so we are down to $1 mil in lost ticket sales. In the grand scheme of things, that is not a lot for the team/league to give away, if they want the advertising dollars from the NY area. The league can modify the blackout rules to allow them to give away those seats to their vendors for this season, then try and sell them and their PSL next year.

    Heck, they could take these lemons and make lemonade...Take those unsold tickets and give a batch to West Point, Annapolis, or local veteran groups and make sure your TV partners know they got in for free/steep discount. Men in uniform always make for good TV. Who among us would complain if a soldier seated next to you got in at a discount? Hell, I'll buy him his first beer.

    Sorry for the wandering of my post....it is more a stream of consciousness then a real answer to anyone.
     
  6. Hemi

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    SI chimes in on ticket sales....

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20.../05/14/mailbag/index.html?xid=cnnbin&hpt=Sbin
     
  7. JetsKickAss

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    Here's why: CBS is paying $800 MM a year for broadcast rights for the AFC. That's about $50 MM per year per team. Now....NYC has 25 MM people in their metro area, Jacksonville has 1.25 MM. If the anti-trust exemption goes away and the teams get $$$ based on their market size........

    The owners of the small markets aren't going to bitch. CBS calls the shots here, not Woody, not the small market teams, not Goodell.

    Does CBS Corporation own the CBS affiliate in Oakland ? NO !!!!!!

    Does CBS Corporation own the CBS affiliate in NYC ? YES !!!!

    Can you say: HUGE DIFFERENCE ??!!!??

    CBS could give a rats ass if the owner of the Jacksonville or Oakland affiliates lose ad revenue, but no way they are going to lie down and have WCBS-2 airing Chargers-Kansas City in November.

    The biggest reason why blackouts won't happen here is the stink even the threat of it had over here in the papers and on the radio. The mere POSSIBILITY of blackouts had 10X more press coverage than actual blackouts did in Jacksonville or Oakland. Had Oakland fans and politicians cared to raise the issue with the NFL, they could have gotten the blackout lifted there quite likely -- though Oakland not selling tens of thousands of regular-priced tickets is alot different than the Jets not selling a few thousand PSL's costing a fortune.
     
  8. JetsKickAss

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    Exactly !!!!

    Possibly....again, if it comes to a choice of blacking out the NY market and losing the anti-trust exemption and the ability to negotiate for all the teams, Goodell will fold.

    And did you take into account the rebates the NFL would have to write CBS, ESPN, and DirectTV ???

    Actually, there are alot of moving parts: Woody wants to sell out the stadium, but if the PSLs are just too pricey then no amount of blackouts might matter; CBS owns WCBS-2 in the area and will not have its largest and most lucrative station not broadcasting games for which it paid billions; the anti-trust exemption is key to the TV contracts and without it the NY and other large market teams and Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder could conceivably cut their own deals with the networks. 45 years of growth started by Pete Rozelle would go down the toilet -- would Goodell want to risk that because MetLife Stadium only had 75,000 in attendance instead of 82,500 ???

    Yes, awareness is up....but what happens in late-August when Woody still has 5,000 PSLs unsold ?? Then it's Decision Time !!

    PSLs for 30 years are alot harder sell than tickets for 2 or 82 games.

    Jets get $50 MM per year from CBS. That's about $3.5 MM per game based on their pro-rata share...but if you go by the total TV contract it's closer to $8 MM per week. If it's based on POPULATION/TV Market, then the Jets rights are probably worth $30-$40 MM per week. CBS/WCBS-2 is not going to take a blackout lying down.

    Great idea and sentiment, but again, it doesn't help Woody sell the tickets OR the PSL's.

    The Jets and Woody need $$$. He borrowed bigtime from his trust funds to fund the purchase of the Jets. He doesn't have a business throwing him cash every year -- he needs for the Jets to make him $$$.
     
  9. RowOneJetFan

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    Jets were not sold out last year for a single game yet it was on tv. Case closed. More loopholes than you can imagine
     
  10. KOZ

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    Sure they were sold out, or close too it. Don't confuse that with "no-show" attendees.
     

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