Best thread on sad subject. Woody has to wake up and forget consulting firms. Just common sense who you hire.
Of course I was "around" back then but to act like Newton's money scandal is anything above something like Reggie Bush's is ignorant. Like I said it still marked Newton as the consensus #1 pick while there are a lot more character concerns that are preventing Winston from being there.
Ignorant? Those are 2 of the most recent and biggest national scandals in major college football. You can dismiss it as not that big if a deal but it absolutely was. He went to a JUCO college to warehouse himself until his dad could cut the best $$ deal for him. The way you are dismissing all the stories about Cams off the field issues clearly confirms you were not around back then. _
We should take a QB, and at this point in time it should be winston. jets back in the playoffs next year? BLAME IT ON JAMEIS. but seriously here is why I think this: http://forums.theganggreen.com/thre...jameis-winston-and-overvaluing-mariota.82452/
We drafted Santana in the 2001 draft. But point taken, it's been forever since this team has gone out and tried to acquire some legit talent in the draft. We're always intrigued by the project players. A project player is a guy you draft when the team is already strong IMO.
You have a point, but I didn't see anyone advocating giving up the farm to trade up for a QB, neither did I see anyone advocating forsaking other positions in order to get a great QB. QB is the most important position on the team. It's much easier to find quality OL and build a quality OL even with middle and lower round draft picks and UDFAs, but it's very difficult to find even a quality starting level QB, much less a "great" one. Since Joe Namath went to the Rams, the Jets have been trying to make do with mediocre QBs, and we know how miserably they have failed. If they get a chance to draft a topflight QB prospect, they have to take it and roll the dice. They would be fools to pass up on that opportunity to go with a "safer" prospect.
I think he's much better than he looks this season. I think he has been hampered this season by first his injury, by Shula, who's a lousy OC, and the idiot Gettelman, who let all their veteran WRs leave and didn't adquately address the OL in the draft. Cam isn't the sharpest pencil in the box, either, and that doesn't help. He looked much better his first couple of years in the league.
His accuracy (or lack thereof) is a problem of inconsistency. He needs to work harder on that. He makes amazing passes, not just hard or long, but with pinpoint accuracy on one throw or in some games, then is way off target on other throws. I'm not sure if it's fundamentals, focus or what.
Well, the problem with Cam is that he often depends on his arm strength to bail him out. Some days, he just abandons basic mechanics, and throws off his back foot play after play. I'm not sure if he'll ever be a top 8 or top 7 Quarterback, but he should be good enough to lead a team to a SB.
I dunno. Maybe it already has, but I don't really think he is mediocre. His first 3 years he played at a much higher level. He has carried the team for much of that time.
Do you not read? I'm dismissing the money scandals because I don't think it knocks a player a character and it clearly doesn't to NFL scouts because there's never question marks about guys who took money in the NFL draft. I was "around" as you keep saying I wasn't born in 2012. Once again I'll restate that my point was that Cam taking money had no effect on his draft stock because scouts didn't feel it was a character issue whereas Winston raping & stealing obviously is. Stop trying to castrate me for one blanket statement that I've since corrected and telling me I wasn't around when you know nothing about me. Thanks.
Yeah I did read it and your original statement had nothing to do with his draft stock, it was a naive statement that Cam didn't have a demi-God attitude off the field that he could steal and get away with it because of who he was, or recklessly disregard the law. Cam was the POSTER CHILD of a demi-God for the way he conducted himself OFFF THE FIELD back then (at 3 different schools) because he and his Dad in what turned out to be a national recruiting scandal on a scale rarely seen before held an auction for major cash to sell himself to the highest bidder. You may think this was innocent or what 1000s of other players have done but because it became public, the investigation and the process around it was not some little incident. He and his dad were total douches in that regard- they totally flaunted the system with a big public fuck you. This wasn't like Gurley or Winston signing autographs for pay, it was a freaking auction for $200,000. That he stole another students laptop and think he could get away with it because of who he was is akin to the crab leg incident. He stole and thought he could get away with it because of WHO he was. Prompting him to transfer so he could seek out cash from other schools. The only thing Cam didn't do is allegedly rape someone, but the recruiting auction he and his dad conducted was legendary. That entire year was fraught with questions of whether he was going to be declared ineligible and cost Auburn their season. He was suspended and only reinstated because the NCAA couldn't prove what he and his dad did. I never said any of this would hurt his draft stock but you dismiss his off field antics as someone who doesn't accurately remember what went down back then or how big of an issue it was. _
