Sounds like a plan. Something to aspire to. To paraphrase the Great Governor Giuliani, luck is not a plan. But let's build a line, I'm sure it will work out. Brick and Mangold say hi. _
He's certainly got a shot, I've seen other players come and go that also had a shot but it didn't work out. At the end of the day you still need to compliment the quarterback with an above average offense line - the Jets do not have that right now. Otherwise you end up with Wayne Hunters, Brian Winters, Willie Colons. You saw what happen to Sanchez, you saw what happen to O'Brien.
They put too much on his plate hoping that he could improve well enough to carry the offense. Hence why they began increasing his pass attempts. He hadn't proven that he could be that qb and it backfired on them.
Couldn't the thread title just be WR or QB in round one?Who uses the term "Flanker" on a daily basis? ,What a play by our flanker!!!!this guy is the best flanker on this team in years!!!With the third overall pic the NY Jets select ..Joe Stevenson Flanker Jersey state,the word annoys me for some reason
So build that line, use a massively high draft pick to get an LT, then maybe use a mid round pick to get a Center. Fuck the franchise QB. 2008 says hi. _
Yeah, it's ridiculous to spend a high draft pick on a tackle. Who would do that? I mean, looking at top 5 overall picks going back to 2000, there's been 14. That's just insanity. And these franchises expect to succeed????!?!?!? They are supposed to be professionals!
Of course there are OTs in the top 5 just as there are QBs in the top 5. This isn't a discussion in a vacuum, it's a discussion about a team who hasn't had a true franchise QB in 4 decades (and some would argue never). An LT isn't moving the dial for this franchise. A QB might. _
I wish they would get back to using the term flanker more often. In my mind, it helps differentiate the type of receiver. Eric Decker is a split end, Harvin is typically our flanker and Kerley is the slot receiver. I think it went out of football vernacular because teams mix up where they line their receivers up so much (thanks West Coast offense ca. 1980's) that the traditional definition doesn't hold water but you can still use it regarding how a guy typically plays and lines up. It's much better than the fantasy football derived vernacular "No. 1 receiver" B.S.
Mangold and Brick made two straight AFCCG's possible. Our O line made our offense that year. The value of the QB position doesn't get minimized by an honest acknowledgement of the value of the o line, but you sound irrational when you attempt to minimize the value of the O line to defend the value of the QB position. Great QB's have proven to be minimized when they have a bad o line. Just look at the difference in the patriots this season against the chiefs and then afterwards when the o line improved. HOFer Brady couldn't do what he does when the Chiefs put pressure on him. Since then he has carved the league up because he had time.
I am absolutely not minimizing the value of the Oline. Go back and look at my posts leading up to the 2013 draft. That was a toxic QB draft but there were some great great Olineman sitting there for us. I wanted to go Warmack and Cooper in round 1--ROUND ONE and I wanted TWO GUARDS--but when Cooper went I wanted Warmack and Flucker. The LAST position I wanted in that draft was a QB. My irrational thought process is actually quite rational based upon the circumstances. If we can't trade down and MM and Winston are both gone, absolutely go Oline. If we can move down or MM is sitting at our pick, you gotta take him and forgoe the Oline rebuild or concentrate on it in rounds 2-4. _
It is a bit early to make any conclusions about our pick(s) but here are some thoughts: Winston is clearly the best QB available in this draft. If we are going for round one QB he has got to be the guy. Winston has off the field problems and depending on combine, further off the field problems, etc. could slide a bit. Mariota will go very high in the draft (top 5?) and may go higher than Winston but is not clearly better than some of the top QBs from last year who slid into late round one (Manziel / Bridgewater) or even round two (Carr). He may make for better trade bait than an actual selection. Even if we trade down we should be able to get a quality pass rusher or even a left tackle in the top half of this draft. In the 20-40 range there is amazing talent at RB, high quality at WR, RT, and OG. This will be an interesting draft but I will be pissed if we sit on our hands and simply make picks with our picks instead of moving up or down for the players that can really give us a strong boost in the future.
This part, at the very least. With all the needs this team has along the O-line, at QB, DB, LB, and whatever else pops up by this offseason, I think it's borderline irresponsible to pick somebody in the top of the draft unless 1) the guy is a generational type player, or 2) they can't find a suitable trade partner. On the other hand, we do have one jillion dollars in cap space, so maybe we pick a QB and fill everything else with FAs. That wouldn't hurt my feelings. After last years' draft debacle, I really am extremely hesitant about the how we can put much faith into any pick we make. At this point I count us lucky to have 2 out of 12 picks still on the roster. I hope our first rounder next year at least makes it through training camp before he gets cut.
You take a chance on the QB 10 times out of 10 if you need one. Missing on a 1st round pick doesn't cost you your first born like it used to. Everyone has a cap friendly deal nowadays with the rookie caps. You dont get jamarcused or bradforded anymore and have another chance the following year. I prefer mariota and am not a Winston fan but I think QB makes all the sense in the world at this point regardless of who the pick is.
Mariota is lighting up Oregon State right now. He's thrown the long ball and run all over the place. This guy has to be ours. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I don't know if I'm sold on Mariota or Winston in this draft, to be honest, I think I'd rather have Cooper.
The cost of the first round QB bust is more the time invested and those lost seasons than cap cost. Teams are more apt to stick with that first round QB just a little longer before moving on. But that still shouldn't prohibit a team from taking one.
