THAT'S it. There are dozens of talented throwers and runners. Morons like Geno and now we're learning RG3 will never be able to read defenses. As big of an off the field ass Winston is, he also has a very high football IQ. He and Mariota are better than every QB drafted since Luck. Geno is a neophyte compared to Mariota, yet folks will still say "gaaaahhhh spread offense Mariota=GENO!!" _
There are never any guarantees except if you don't have a franchise QB you aren't going to win consistently. Geno wasn't 1/3 the player Mariota is. At some point you need to roll the dice and find your guy. This is an easy dice roll, not without risk but a lot less risk than betting on a project in later rounds. Oh, and I've always advocated bringing in a vet. _
Oh geez when do we stop with the Andrew Luck red herring. Does every QB to be drafted always need to be compared to Luck? It's such a bullshit argument. I get that you don't like Mariota yet you're a proponent of Cook. Is HE Andrew Luck lol? _
I didn't say we should pass on either one. I said if we won a few games it would not equate to not being able to get a great QB if we don't have a top pick. History, and the current top NFL QBs, show that great QBs are available outside the top 10.
Would I? Definitely not. But I've made my opinion on Mariota known. Would I trade a 2nd and a 4th for someone I thought was going to be a franchise QB? Yea I think so. There is a big difference between an RG3 type deal and a 2nd and 4th, though. If the Jets have to move up 3 picks at the top of the first round it will cost inbetween your example and the RG3 deal. It'll probably be an extra first at minimum. But I guess there is no way of knowing yet.
He's a franchise changer so yes we are using him as an example. I like Mariota - but he's not this can't miss prospect you refer to - I think if developed properly, he can be an elite QB in this league. Connor Cook ain't Luck, he's not even close. I like Cook because he does a lot of good things - he can run the pro offense, has great arm strength, and he can make any throw you want. He has some things he needs to work on, but the road towards being a NFL starting QB will be an easier one IMO then Mariota. If the situation is right, we got the coaching in place - I would 100% be on board with Mariota. I want a solid all-around team, that can match-up against any opponent.. I don't want a team that gets dominated in the trenches, and I think we need other players at other positions to get this team back to where it needs to be and that's at the near of the top of the division (until the team is ready to overtake the division completely - we need to worry about the Bills and Dolphins also). We need a strong draft all together - one man in this draft won't bring us back to relevancy.
Completely fair. I get that some folks don't like the player, but we're all just guessing. But the fact that you WOULD trade up for what you perceive to be a franchise QB at least means you're thinking straight. Folks thinking those guys fall to you like bubble gum at a parade are delusional. My favorite is the folks that want to build a complete team top to bottom sans QB, then "just go get one". There aren't all that many of them. You can't build a team for the next two years then assume you'll be in a position in 2016 to get the next Andrew Luck. Sometimes you need to force the issue. Or sit back and be mediocre. _
Yes and no. I dont think I would ever make an RG3 type deal. Unless it was an Andrew Luck type prospect, I would probably stand pat. But yea a second and fourth (and even the Mark Sanchez trade up deal) I wouldnt have an issue with.
You are fine to speculate that; doesn't mean it's true. I would take Hundley over Mariotta and Winston but I understand the pressure that would prevent that if we were in the top of the draft. But if those guys are gone I'd trade back if we could still grab Hundley and get some more picks.
You're right, JStokes, if the Jets think Mariota or Winston is THE GUY, by all means, go get him. And, regardless of my opinion of that choice today, I'll root like hell for them tomorrow, and if Mariota rocks out, I'll even give you credit for recognizing it so early and advocating for him so voraciously. However, I think the Seahawks, Steelers, Ravens, and Patriots are all perfect examples of teams that were built top to bottom, and then the right QB fell into their laps. If you have a team that's built right, you have plenty of flexibility to trade up in the draft-- with the understanding that that only goes so far, and that you have to find a willing trade partner. But in my opinion, THAT is the time to trade up and snag somebody. Otherwise, you might trade up, leaving tons of holes on your team and someone like Wayne Fucking Hunter gets your shiny new QB killed. Maybe I worry too much.
Geno was a better pocket passer, Mariota is more athletic with a stronger arm. Both are/were projects on the NFL level. If we are not careful and we draft Mariota we could end up with another Geno situation.
You're way off there. Mariota is a superior passer in every aspect of the game. Better in the pocket, better on the run, more accurate, quicker more compact release, better touch. And Mariota will never be as bad as Geno. _
First if all I want nor do I deserve any credit because I'm raving like a lunatic about Mariota. I'm just guessing. Second of all, the Patriots and Brady is such an anomaly that should never be taken into account when discussing drafting QBs. It's just too much of an outlier to be considered even mildly relevant or predictive. _
But if you miss you're fucked. Mariota is a project who plays in a spread offense. We had a qb that came from a spread offense that folks complained about. Im not sold on him, he relies on his legs too much. I liked Geno as a prospect because he was mostly a pocket passer, who had ability to move and make plays with his legs.
Geno is more important about his personal business 'Rocnation' brand that he has totally shitted the bed here in NY.
Ok but here's the crux. I believe if you believe in a QB as THE guy, you go and get him. If you think Hundley is THE guy, you don't wait for him to drop, you go and you get him. I'm not big on developmental QBs, I think it's a farce. If you like Hundley better than Mariota and Winston and think he is the answer at QB and you have the 5 th pick, you take him there. I don't see Hundley as anywhere near the propects of MM or Winston and I don't see anyone on the horizon remotely as good. We fucked up last year passing on 2 guys. We can't do that again with such a high pick. _
