There are teams with franchise QBs and pretenders. The era of the dominant defensive dynasty is over. It's an offensive league. And not a running league. It's a QB league. Brady, Manning, Brees, Ben, Rogers, the other Manning, now Luck ruling the league. But yeah, let's build an Oline. That was 2013, we're past that. There are no other ways to build a consistent winner. _
Resorting to shitty gifs. Well done. Gnite, I'm going to go dream of getting a franchise QBs. You go dream of building a team the old fashioned way, defense and running and hard nosed tackling. _
NFL has changed. I think the Raiders will win another game or 2 before the end of the year. Oh look offensive line is not important. OK. To think - Brady and Manning didn't have good offense lines ha.
Hahahahaha thank you. What's more important OLine or Brady/Manning? Hahahahaaaaa. Time for bed, can't waste anymore time on this drivel. Especially if it's serious. _
Flacco supports my argument - he's a mid-first rounder. Are you a fucking idiot? actually, you have answered that question continuously with your posts. if you are going to chime in on my argument, you have to grasp what my argument was addressing. the claim was that the only way to avoid mediocrity was to have a top of the draft pick and drafting in the middle of the round would mire you in mediocrity. and you think presenting a Super Bowl winning QB drafted in the middle of the first round which should have relegated the Ravens to mediocrity supports that argument and disputes my argument that? moron.
I actually agree with the bold but I don't think this fan base is patient or frankly smart enough to allow the organization the latitude to win any other way but with a "franchise" QB. We had a QB that couldn't carry a bad team on his back but proved he can win with the right supporting cast. Fans could not get him out of town fast enough. I think this team's only rebuild option is to land that "franchise" guy. That's the only way I can imagine a Jets QB surviving any tough times here.
He didn't say it was more important. comprehension is not your strong suit. but how good were the Pats when the Chiefs had Brady on his ass all night, and how good have they been since then since his offensive line has kept him upright?
You guys might be arguing about the same thing. Like Rodgers, Flacco was the second QB taken in his draft. Stokes' main argument is that we need a QB to avoid mediocrity not necessarily a top pick. It just so happen that we might end up having a top pick this year and the top 2 QB will likely go early because there are so many QB needy teams at the top of the draft.
If we go the franchise QB route, Winston is the guy. All of the QBs in this draft have question marks so getting a LT or OLB instead of the QB is not a bad idea. Trading down (and hopefully picking up a first rounder next year) may also be the way to go. The bottom of the first round should have great talent at RT, OG, WR, and especially RB. Let's face it, we have a lot of holes to fill.
Of course we need a QB. Of course we should draft one. Ive never said otherwise. He is trying to dispute my assertion that if we don't draft at the top of the first we can still get a franchise QB by presenting a QB that was drafted in the middle of the first just like I said is possible.
Not only at the top of the first, but trading an additional first round pick to move up two spots, because that is exactly what it would take. No matter how he tries to deny it.
The fan-base will be patient if the future is looking bright. If we had a nucleus of very talented young players I think the fan-base would remain a little more patient. The Jets will need to get their QB no doubt, it's just that the QBs in this draft have major question marks so I'm not pulling the trigger on a QB in RD1, if I have some major doubts. I'm not taking a QB to satisfy the fan-base.
No you're the fucking idiot. You're bringing up history as if it is 100% predictive of the future but it has absolutely no relevance to what may be unfolding in May. There are TWO potential franchise QBs in this draft and 10 projects. We're going to potentially be drafting top 5. You gamble and get one of those guys because they are potentially guys that could change your franchise, the closest shot we'll have to a sure thing. That's the gamble. Not moving down to 18 or 26 or round 2 or 6 or UDFA in the hopes that you strike gold on a miracle. Brady is not happening again. Rogers is not happening this year. Neither is Brees. _
Not this year we can't. None of the QBs outside of the top two are Brees or Rogers. None of them are worthy of being a Flacco level pick. Passing on the two at the top will be gambling that a miracle like Brady or Brees or Rogers is going to miraculously happen. You're arguing static numbers (18th pick, 24th pick, 2nd round, 6th round, UDFA) in a fluid situation involving 2 players and 10 projects. In 2013 there was not a QB worthy of being drafted at all, let alone 1st round or the top of the first. Regardless of how hard the Bills hoped Manuel was going to be a franchise guy, he never was. I never had this discussion in 2013 because no QB warranted it. This year 2 guys absolutely do. Got to get one of them at the very top or we'll have another project and be looking for a QB next year. _
Oh and BTW, there were 4 or 5 QBs last year up and down the draft that should have been drafted that we could have built around. Guys that are going to be very very good NFL QBs. But not this year. Two up at the top or nothing. And one has a massive bust factor. _
The problem is that formula really wasn't sustainable especially considering the Jets had a mostly veteran team. What the Jets did was put all their eggs in the Sanchez basket hoping that he'd improve enough to take the next step. It was a bad call because he hadn't proven he was a franchise qb. I agree though that this fanbase is impatient (understandable to an extent) but this team can't continue to make quickfixes. This team needs a real rebuild where they build up the talent base with young drafted players.
And Sanchez got a massive rookie contract (not even talking about the extension). That no longer is an impediment. _
Putting your eggs in a QB basket this year isn't really all that many eggs considering how small the cap hit is relative to when there was no rookie pay scale. _
