Big Question: QB in the first round or a Flanker?

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  1. 101GangGreen101

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    They got Mack, Carr and that G that's it. The weapons they have, they suck - I've seen a few Raiders games, they run the wrong routes, they constantly drop balls. That team is awful on offense. They can't run the football. They also can't protect the QB.

    Schaub does not give them the best chance to win.
     
  2. pclfan

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    Well, he couldn't do worse. The Raiders need a win. I'd start Matt. He's won games and Carr's won zilch.
     
  3. JStokes

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    I can't see Cleveland trading 2 number 1s or a 1 and a 2 for Cooper (great player but 6-1) when they may have the pick of 6-3 studs White, Parker or Williams AND another first or second round pick.

    Too many good WRs to trade all that for a really really good but 6-1 guy. If he were 6-4 or a blazer maybe. Buffalo only have up a 1 and a 4 for Watkins who IMHO is better than Cooper.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Cooper but not at the expense of Mariota. I just don't think the Browns are trading 2 1s for him or a 1 and a 2.

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    IDK Carr beat me rather quickly via training camp. That team has major issues. They have an awful time running the football. Team is 1 dimensional I doubt Schaub would help.
     
  5. pclfan

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    It's not only Carr's fault, that's for sure. And both Raiders HCs have started him. Then why did they sign Schaub in the first place. They did the same thing with Matt Flynn. Gave him money and then soured on him even before the season started. And before them Carson Palmer. I think maybe the Raiders need a veteran presence at Qb. Carr could be their future guy but they're so impatient they'll probably get rid of him, too.
     
  6. JStokes

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    Carr is the real deal. The rest of the shit around him is not his fault.

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    agreed, watching the raiders game a bit its clear that carr is not the problem, in fact he's probably doing the best out of all the rookies from what i've seen of the other 3 starters.
     
  8. 1968jetsfan

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    I've seen enough of the raiders games to see that the entire team makes a lot of mistakes, remember I'm a believer in that w/l 90% of the time is a team stat. And I know this will sound like I'm giving Carr more than a benefit of a doubt here but that's because I give all rookies and 2nd year players a great deal of benefit of a doubt. The biggest problem the raiders have isn't overall talent, it's youth on the offensive side of the ball. The Raiders as a squad are the oldest team in the NFL, but on offense they have 2 players over 30 (Schaub and their Right tackle Barnes), 7 of their starting 11 players have 5 or fewer years experience, 6 of them 4 or fewer. all but 3 of their 2nd stringers are 3 years or fewer). They lack discipline and they lack experience, they make a lot of youthful mistakes and it's not an ideal place to plug in a rookie QB. Given the circumstance I think Carr has done fine for a rookie who was a 2nd round pick, much better than Geno's rookie campaign despite a much worse team and coaching staff. I'm not saying Carr is the answer, but there is a lot to like. One of the biggest problems is the Raiders have the 3rd lowest yards per attempt rushing which is leaving Oakland a lot of 2nd and 3rds and long, he's getting no help.

    That said, there's a lot he could do better, and if he was a 3rd or 4th year guy I'd be a lot more harsh, but for a rookie under those circumstances it's not bad at all. He's also moving the ball better than some other 'star' QB's did their rookie seasons for a pretty miserable team....there's every reason for the Raiders to keep Carr in the rest of the way and see more fully what they have, they have zero incentive to play Schaub at this point.
     
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    I really like Peat a lot and I think the Jets could trade down and still get him as long as there was A) a trade available and B) it didn't move them past the 8th or 9th pick. (as things stand now).
    I fully agree, the Jets have ignored the Oline too long and Brick is on the downside and is average at best for a Left Tackle at this point in time.
     
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    I think the Jets can stay with Brick for at least 1 more season. Peat is really good and has the highest upside, but he's a LT and strictly a LT. I think people are sleeping on Brandon Scherff - dude is mean as fuck, strong and can play both tackle and G. He's got a very polished game so while he doesn't have the ceiling of Peat, his floor is much higher. He will be able to come in and contribute right away either at G or RT. Then you move him to LT once Brick leaves. Think DJ Fluker.
     
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    I haven't seen Carr play that much. And I'm not going to say he isn't a good prospect. But I think the Raiders need a W and Schaub has a better chance to get them one. Let Carr sit a few games and give Schaub a chance to earn his salary. Which is what they brought him there for in the first place. To start until Carr is ready to start. To me it looks like maybe the GM is forcing the Hcs to play Carr. Exactly what Idzik was accused of doing with Geno. In both cases not sure it's true.
     
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    In a perfect world, I'd like to see them draft Mariota (if he's still available) and sit him behind a experienced QB snagged from FA.....but I feel like all the dominos would have to fall perfectly in place for this to happen
     
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    I'd be fine with any one of Scherff, Peat, or Oguehi in the top 10, but more so for Peat or Oguehi (I hope I have his name right). But if I'm taking one in the top 5 or 10 it's going to be for a LT, get it done and call the position set for the next decade or so. A couple of guards I really like for the 2nd or later rounds are Josue Matias (sp?), Tre Jackson and Jarvis harrison. I also like Erck Flowers as a RT or OG candidate. Of course can't get all of them since their all 2-4th round draft candidates but...
    There's also a 3rd or 4th rnd WR I really like a lot at this point, he's got flaws and is coming off an ACL (or he wouldn't be that late) is Austin Hill.
    There's a late round RB I like a lot right now as well, Corey Grant. short, fast, has a good frame..need to see more of him though.
    QB's I'd take a mid to late round flier on and hope to catch a reasonable starter off of in a year or two, my top two candidates right now are Sean Mannion and Kevin Hogan.
    OLB 2nd or 3rd rounder I like is Erik Striker.
    ILB I like, also probably a late first or 2nd rounder, Denzel Perryman.
    FS I like (also a 2nd or 3rd rounder probably) Cody Prewitt.
    Mid to late CB I like is Cam Thomas.

    i'm not familiar with the players at the lower end of the draft yet, after the third round really and some of these players I'll probably change my mind on down the road or won't declare for the draft
    But right now I'd be ecstatic to get 3-4 of them in next years draft....of course to get 3-4 of them would require at least 1 trade down for picks.
     
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    I like some of the players on that list for sure. Denzel Perryman, Erik Flowers to name a few.

    I forgot about Ogbuehi [dude has a crazy name] - he's really talented also. All 3 are very talented offensive lineman. Jets just have to do their due diligence because we've seen players like Jason Smith and Greg Robinson from Syracuse high drafted tackles that didn't pan out at all. Greg Robinson was drafted last year, and last time I checked dude gets no PT.

    Jeremy Langford is one of the RBs, I would target if I were a scout for the Jets in the 3rd round. He's a 3 down RB. He does pretty good at pass protection as well [watching Connor Cook, you look at several other players]. Very underrated player. I think at linebacker the later rounds Mike Hull is a decent ILB that should be looked at later in the draft, Penn State's defense is underrated. Jets also have to get a receiver this draft. Highly doubt Cooper falls to us so Jaelen Strong, Dorial Green-Beckham, Sammie Coates, Devin Funchess are on my radar. Austin Hill def add to the list. He's underrated.

    Jets have a lot to do, I just don't have confidence in Idzik and this scouting DPT do find the best players available.
     
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    My favorite 3 QBs out of last year in order were Teddy, Carr then Mettenberger. I liked Manziel and Bortles it was hard to argue about. I still think McCarron is starting over Daulton soon. Folks argued that Garappollo was the best QB out of lat years draft.

    That's 8 QBs.

    Not counting Savage, Murray and Fales.

    AND my favorite QB last year before the draft was Mariota.

    Carr will be a long time starter in this league. Whether he's a winner will depend on the team around him. He is absolutely a QB that you can build around-- the opposite of a game manager.

    That dude is 22 and throwing bombs down the field, already has total command of that offense.

    IMHO.

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    I really don't think you can do wrong with any of those 3 tackles. The Jets really need a Guard as well in the 2015 draft. I'm really hoping they can pick up an extra 2nd and or 3rd round pick in the draft. I doubt they do but I really hope they do.

    Austin Hill I'm hoping drops because of the ACL...he'd be a total steal in the 4th.
     
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    No but they can trade the pick to the higher bidder....and I doubt it would be us
     
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    Winston is the pick...he has everything you could ask for...he doesn't lose games and he can read defenses. he reminds me of a black Big Ben. I know there are red flags but it doesn't change the fact that he is going to be a very good QB.
     
  19. LAJet

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    While I totally support your viewpoint on this I have one huge concern about the depth and knowledge of our draft team when it comes to talent on the offensive side of the ball.
    The $64,000 question is purely and simple what does the collective intellect of the NYJ draft gurus think of MM. If when all is well and done they don't have him rated high enough in the pecking order I don't believe they have the cojones to take a chance on a potentially super star even if we were lucky enough to have him fall on our lap.
     
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    Sparano is a huge load to carry as well. I can't believe a team in the NFL gave him another shot. He sucks.
     

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