once again bearing in mind that I'm fine with a corner if thats the best pick possible, the idea of another rookie corner… seems really ill-advised at this time. we need a veteran CB, a vet thats been mostly healthy for all his career. Tramon williams seems like a good candidate, a little old (32 next year) but an iron man who seems like a good vet mentor to Dee and Dex and can be had at a good price. Or maybe Perish Cox, he's had a good year and hits FA. One of the biggest problems with this CB corps right now besides lack of pure talent, is pure inexperience. More isn't likely to help out, we'd have to be convinced we were completely daft not to take a certain CB prospect in order to go that route.
I respectfully disagree with you here. This year is a scant year for talent except for two exceptional players, one of which is borderline mentally challenged. 2013 sucked for QBs up and down the draft, shit all over the lot. Not the year to take a QB in any round. 2014 was a great year for taking a QB, there were 4 or 5 or maybe even 6 that will turn out to be good to quality to possibly great QBs. Could have gotten good ones up and down the draft. 2015 is a melding of the two. Mediocre talent after two IMHO really really good players, one of which you shoot your load on in the hopes that he's your Rogers. After sitting a year. Looks like he was made in the Optimal NFL QB factory, tall, NFL arm, accurate, super smart, dedicated, outrageously athletic, fast, nimble, quick release, doesn't steal crab legs or shave points. This is the year to shoot the load. There is no one on the horizon that is anywhere near the talent he is IMHO. Guarantee? Of course not. But this is the one you gamble on. Sign another vet, let him and Vick play this year and let the kid sit for a year and maybe MAYBE we're the dominant team in the AFCE for the next 12 years. _
I wouldn't mind a linemen at all. I'm praying for Iupati but we probably won't land him. I'd rock with Vick for another year before i reach for a QB this year. Mariota sounds great and all but I just really don't want us to start over AGAIN with another rookie QB.
For me the #1 thing is to rebuild the O-line and rebuild it with top notch talent...on offense it all revolves around the O-line, a good or great O-line makes every facet of the game better.
There are a couple of QB's who are intriguing as developmental QB's that should be available in the 3-5th rounds. Sean Mannion is who I'm watching most closely right now.
true.. im not deep in to college football to be knowing later round picks... I'm sure there are some good ones out there though
Again, I don't pretend to know the college players, but this argument seems very persuasive to me. Take account of the convergence of the Jets' drafting position, its need at Qb, and the quality of the likely available players. It even makes sense to go as Stokes indicates when you factor in the scenario of bringing Vick back. Makes so much sense I think the only argument against it is one I can't make, which is that Mariota would not deserve that high a draft pick. Perhaps as Stokes says he does...
Look, I'm just guessing here like everyone else. I'll rave about the guy, but I'm just a fan and not a pro scout. Some people may not like the player as much which is fair, because THEY are just guessing too. But anyone that thinks he's solely the product of the Ducks system or Geno 2.0 are kidding themselves. This guy LOOKS the part of the perfect QB. He may not be, but HE'S they type of guy you roll the dice on. He's not Manziel, he's not Bortles (who came out of nowhere), he's not EJ Manuel where people went WTF?!? when he was drafted. He's also not Luck, but he's better than RG3 because he appears to have the physical tools AND the brain. We roll the dice now or we're looking next year or the year after at drafting inferior talents. No guarantees that he excels, but how can you NOT draft this guy considering (i) how important the position is, (ii) that elite QBs produce consistent winners and (iii) what a dearth of talent we've had at the position throughout our franchises history. An OT or a WR or a CB or a DE/OLB is not going to change this franchise. Mariota may not either. But he's the guy you roll the dice on and cross your fingers. We can't let a top 3-4 pick shitty losing season go by without at least trying to get our franchise QB. If Mariota weren't in this draft, it'd be the 2013 draft all over again. _
I agree 100% with Stokes. I am not a college football guy so I go by what I read but Stokes assessment on Mariotta is similar to what I read elsewhere. That said, he is 100% right about rolling the dice for a QB that has POTENTIAL to be a franchise QB. Mariota is a name that you can roll the dice about. If it works, great. If it doesn't we look for another franchise QB until we find one.
Considering you are no longer dumping $50 million on rookies anymore, it's not as harsh as it used to be. _
While I've made my opinions known on Mariota, if the Jets think he can be a franchise QB, you have to take him. I wouldnt trade an additional first to move up to get him, but if he is there at our pick I wouldnt be pissed if the Jets selected him.
More unlikely than in the first or 2nd in most drafts? sure, just like you're less likely to find a quality any position after the 2nd round, at least in terms of first year starters. Here's the thing, I'm not sold on Mariota in a pro offense, I'm not sold on guys who aren't pocket firsts passers who run as a primary option and their ability to stay healthy or their value if they lose some of the mobility..aka you're asking guys who aren't built like RB's (for the most part) to take the damage of RB's and yet still be able to perform as a QB. I don't buy that. Winston I love as a QB, he can run but he's a pocket first passer, and if he didn't have all the off the field issues he'd be a no brainer first pick of the draft in my book...sadly he just seems to be a no brainer off the field and it doesn't matter if you're missing games because of injury or because you're suspended for conduct reasons you're not on the field helping your team. To me there are no QB's in this draft worth taking in the top 10. They all have too much risk, so if your're going to take a risk on a QB don't piss it away with a top 10 pick this year on a guy who has a high bust potential, use a 3rd or 4th round pick to take a chance on a guy who has a great arm but has some kinks in his game that may, or may not, be able to iron out with pro style coaching and drills. There are 3-5 guys who may declare for next years draft that have that potential. If they don't pan out what do you lose? a draft pick that will probably have someone drafted that also never works out. This year the safe, and best long term bet, is to draft one of the offensive tackles and begin to shore up the O-line, because frankly it doesn't matter who you draft at QB if you have a piss poor O-line your offense will suffer because even the greats need some protection or they wind up like Fran Tarkenton or Archie Manning, always scrambling for dear life.
I am starting to want a draft lottery for the first 10 picks. Teams like the Raiders and Jags get these picks all the time and nothing comes of it. Organizations like that shouldn't get rewarded every time they completely fail year after year.
If they are really sold on Mariotta and I haven't read about any Jets interest or about Idzik making any visits to see Ducks games, he might have to trade up. And he hasn't shown the talent or inclination to trade picks.
