I don't know, Chad didn't throw it deep as often as ken, he also didn't get his WRs killed like kenny did too. I cannot quite remember Kenny throwing a bomb like Chad to Moss in the '04 WC game in a big game. Kenny had the better arm w/o question but Chad was the better QB. an arm can only take you so far. Kenny was my idol as a kid, but as I grew up and learned more about the game I realized he wasn't as good as I thought when I was a kid.
Yep, so basically you are on the same pace? It cracks me up when people that post all the time(I would guess you post more than I do on a daily basis) attack me for posting. It's downright comical. If you cannot keep up in discussions just say so rather than make a fool of yourself for attacking others posts counts.
Here's a little math lesson for you.... 3,000 X 8 years (you have been here since 2002) = 24,000 It would take me 10 years to do what you did in 8, not to mention your history at fagheaven. That would take me another 7 years or so to match that total.
September 23, 1991 Jets at Bears: "When (Ken O'Brien) gets the time to throw the football, no one throws it any better than he does." - Frank Gifford on ABC's Monday Night Football. October 20, 1986 Broncos at Jets: "You wanna throw the ball deep? Ken O'Brien, he'll never under throw it." - Frank Gifford on ABC's Monday Night Football. November 9, 1986 Jets at Falcons: "This kid is absolutely as hot of quarterback as I've ever seen in the NFL. He's so cool. He's got everything so much in control." - Bob Trumpy on NBC. November 9, 1986: "I've been around a lot of tough, smart guys who won even though they couldn't throw the football that well. Billy Kilmer with the Redskins, Fran Tarkenton with the Giants, they didn't have a lot of physical ability, they did it by being tough and smart. But in addition to being tough and smart, Kenny O'Brien can throw the football." -Joe Walton, New York Jets Head Coach.
See this is why I don't bother with these arguments. You downgrade OBrien for the same things that Pennington used to do to his receivers.
Wow! what a huge difference. I bow down to you. You are the greatest, I am loser that spends his time posting on message boards. oh wait- you do the same thing! Again, if you can't keep up it's ok. Stop w/ the nonsense. What does this tell us exactly? We cannot find announcers to sing Chad's praises? Check for what the announcer were saying late in '86 or '87-'92. In 1986 for a stretch he was one of the best QBs in the game, unfortunately he couldn't keep it up.
When did Chad get his WRs killed? When did he lay them out? Coles would jump EVERY TIME he caught a pass. Chrebet was getting concussions long before Chad.
Dude, you're not proving anything here. You can compile edited clips and quotes over a ten year career to make anyone look like Joe Montana, so what? I loved O'Brien but he was what he was, had a great 1985 and early 1986, after that he was disappointing. junc hit it, when we were young we viewed things with more optimism. I argued with my friends at college for years that O'Brien would be better than Marino over time, but that's not how it worked out. Those of us who saw both guys play were older and more cynical and jaded by the time we saw Chad, plus as I mentioned a while back in this thread, the disappointments from Chad's years are still fresher wounds. By the time we're champ's age nobody will ever be as good as the guys we saw when we were younger, as you see with him.
Stop with the nonsense? So only you make sense? Get over yourself. You change the arguments to suit your answers. Thus the reason you argue incessantly.
The nonsense I was referring to was your childish attacks on my post count when you probably post more per day than I do in recent years. We all spend alot of time here, probably more than we should. This board is all for fun, we learn about different things and have some laughs. It's ok to disagree w/ me but attack my argument instead of me.
Anyone who saw O'brien play in 1985 and 1986, know's he was a far superior QB to Pennington. Guy was a prolific thrower....And you know why he didn't sustain it? Cause he was too tough, he played behind crappy Offensive Lines and held the ball till the last second and got killed after throwing the ball... He was sacked 62 TIMES in 1985..... 62 TIMES..... Anyone who gets sacked that amount of times is gonna feel it going forward. Just look at his 1985 passing numbers. Not only led the NFL in passer rating but threw 25 tds, almost threw for 4,000 yards and was intercepted 8 times while completing over 60 percent of his passes. The next season, he was doing the same thing, when he broke his finger, which led to his stats going down the last 5 games. Still threw for 25 tds and close to 3,700 yards. Guy used to outplay Marino numerous times head to head. Last regular season game of 1991, led the Jets down the field in the waning seconds, when it looked like Marino had comeback to clinch the playoffs for Dolphins. O'brien led the Jets down the field in less then a minute and Jets made the playoffs instead.
Nothing can be proved here because the same thing can be said of Pennington. One good year, a few mediocre years, and alot of injuries.
I know all of that. I was a huge O'Brien fan, saw all those games, was at a lot of them, have that Miami game on VHS somewhere. Nobody's trashing him but the fact remains that we won more big games with Pennington as QB. All-time Jet post-season wins looks like this--Namath 2, Todd 2, Pennington 2, Sanchez 2, Ryan 1, Vinny 1, O'Brien 0. Chad's the only one in team history to lead us to wins in more than one post-season, hopefully Sanchez will also. It's not a discussion over who had the best arm. Maybe someone will make that poll next--Namath, Todd, Vinny, O'Brien, that's a different discussion. People can have a YouTube pissing contest for months if they want to, it doesn't prove anything.
I pretty much said the same thing a few posts back, but to be fair Chad had good years for us in 2002, 2004 and 2006, pretty much every year he was healthy. I'll even leave out 2008, maybe his best year, because it wasn't for the Jets.
Do people gte it that our Ols were actually pretty good in the 80s and that ken would always hold onto the ball too long looking for a big play? he wasn't taking 60 blindside shots, he was taking mostly those give up sacks which don't take a big toll on the body. He didn't break his finger in 19896, he hurt his shoulder which effectively started his decline but those are the breaks. Chad had multiple shouldr injuries but kept coming back and kept leading us to postseason and even won a couple of postseason games which ken never did. It was great that he could raise his level of play against marino and Miami but what about the other 14 games?
He had a very good year and a half- 1985 and into 1986. After that he may have had some good yardage years but: 3300+ in '89 w/ 12 TDs and 18 INTs 3300 in '91 w/ 10 TDs and 11 INTs Those are good years?
