Probably not. His longevity on the team is why he's up there so high in a lot of statistical categories, that's why I put him in the poll.
I think Wayne has a place in most Fans Hearts that watched him play while with the team. He gave the team his all and did more with less than any Jet I can remember. With that said he was not as good as all the other mentioned Wr's on this board including Me-Shawn. Wayne should be in the most beloved poll as opposed to a greatest of all time one.
What happen to Maynard that he is not part of the poll? Shucks besides JWN he is the only other NYJ player in the HOF which immediately jumps him up to the head of the class of NYJ WRs
If you read the first post, that's exactly why I didn't put him in the poll, because on that criteria alone he's the hands-down winner. There would be little suspense to the poll, it's like putting Namath in a best Jets QB poll. It clearly says (excluding Don Maynard) in the poll and in my initial post.
It is. The thread title continues on to the first post and that's exactly what is says. You missed the ... which is the connector.
I seriously doubt DM would be the winner since the overall majority of this board never saw him play & these polls whenever anyone votes it is for some "past" NYJ hero they watched played. In many cases it is even there 1st NYJ man love as well JMHO
You might be right, but I didn't put him in the poll because he should be the clear winner. Removing him makes for better debate, otherwise everyone would just say Maynard and that would be it. I never saw him play either, but I still know he's in the Hall of Fame, was on the Super Bowl team and has his number retired by the team--as I opened the thread with. Nobody else in the poll has that, so it levels the playing field the best way possible. That's why I make better polls. :grin:
Ah IMHO all these polls good or bad are valueless & prove nothing whatsoever since TGG members are a very, very, very small portion of all the NYJ fans out there. A "good" poll would be to make up a ballots & hand them out at a NYJ home game & then you may get a good bearing on what NYJ fans think is the greatest this or that or what was the greatest NYJ win of all time so on & so forth. Maybe someone like Boland or Cimini will do that since more NYJ fans read the News or Newsday then are members here. Again JMHO
I highly doubt he meant this poll as a true scientific representation of the NYJ fanbase. It was probably more just something to pass the time, and get some debate going during the NFL's downtime. Of course, that's JMHO.
Surely that has to be more important things to do with ones life then worry about who is the "greatest" WR all time in our history.
Of course, look at the date, I made this in February. Champ just needs to complain about something, and since I answered his Maynard objection he has to now knock the whole poll and the board. Why even post here then, champ? Why not just put all of your "wisdom" on post cards and mail them out to the entire fan base?
Nah I have knocked other polls also recently made by KTJF. Go check it out. It is JMHO of them no matter whose it is since to me it is just plain silliness to barter about who may or may not be the "greatest" since we only have 2 players in the HOF & they are the only 2 "great" ones we had since our inception as the Titans in 1960. As a example the Dolphins joined the league 8 years after us & they have more players in the HOF then we have which says a whole lot about our choices of players thru the years.
Well then, here is a suggestion--don't read the polls, don't post in them and go join a Dolphins board, if you're not already on one. It's just conversation and reminiscing to fill up eight months of no Jet games. Who asked you?
Just chiming in with my HO no matter if you like it or not. To me just sheer silliness as I stated before
So if it's sheer silliness, why are you chiming in? Everyone else has shared good insight and comparisons, and as usual all you do is bitch. This is the problem with you, champ. If you are really a Jet fan going as far back as you say, you should be able to contribute to the board like some of the other older guys do. You saw Maynard and Sauer, all the stuff we didn't see, but instead of taking part in a conversation where you could be useful, all you do is tear everything down and bitch and complain. It's one thing to have a negative outlook or obsess on winning a Super Bowl, it's another to just be a chronic pain in the ass and try to one-up everyone all the time. This is why people wonder if you're really a Jet fan at all, you contribute no knowledge or history like the other older posters do, all you do is say everything sucks and how you know better. It gets tiring and requires no knowledge or insight on your part. If you are who you say you are you should be able to shed more light on the Jets history than you do. All you do is complain or state the blatantly obvious.
Sure he produced as much in NY when you factor in rookie stats vs veteran stats. Here’s the thing you keep missing. I feel like I’m pounding the table as loud as I can and yet you’re not getting it :smile: When he was with the Jets he was becoming a dominant receiver…When he went to TB he turned into an above average receiver. Receivers are more likely to make large improvements from years 1-3. You know this and I’m not sure why you are ignoring that fact. When he went to Tampa he should have continued to put up the numbers he did when he left the Jets. But he did not (minus one season where he caught 100+ passes which we have already determined to be an anomaly.) How about if I pose it as a question? Everyone feel free to answer this…If the Jets don’t trade Keyshawn does he go on to average 70 receptions a year or 90 like he was on the verge of doing when he was here? Above average vs. Dominant. And I'm not even considering the year (singular because he was Dallas' No. 1 WR) he spent as a No. 2 WR. I am talking about the years immediately following him leaving NYJ. Harrison wasn’t better until 1999 when he had a monster breakout year (115 receptions) Okay, so an average of 50 more passes in per season went to RBs and TEs in TB than in NY and the NYJ threw an avg. of 75 less passes per year than TB did. That amounts to a net gain of 25 possible more attempts his way in TB than in NY per season. Above Average receivers average 70 receptions per season not top receivers. Yeah, sure they are exactly the same when you factor in his rookie stats. They aren’t when you look at the trend he was on his last two years in NY. It is more likely that he was going to continue on that trend and average 90 receptions per season with the NYJ than going to TB and averaging 70 receptions with one great year of over 100+ receptions.
That's how I feel especially when I have the #s to back up my statement. On a per game basis his #s were nearly identical to what they were w/ the Jets. W/ the Jets he finished 6th in recs twice, w/ TB he finished 4th, w/ the Jets he finished 10th in rec yds in '98 w/ TB he finished 7th in '01. he was the same player. What does this have to do w/ anything? he was in year 5 when he went to TB. He did, he put up #s at the same rate. Tampa spread the ball around a little more so his #s weren't exactly the same but he had his best rec and yardage years in Tampa. Yopu keep subtracting 2001 but that's not fair. Even subtracting '01 and '03 his per game #s were still nearly identical to his Jets day. No matter what way you slice it he was basically the same player. Would he ever have caught 100+ w/ us? Absolutely not and w/ Coles emerging and a vet Chrebet his rec totals would likely have gone down after 2000. Harrison was playing w/ a rookie QB in 1998 and he missed 4 games. If he plays 16 his #s look like this: 79 recs, 1,035 yds, 9 TDs. Key had 83 recs, 1131 yds and 10 TDs. The #s were very close and Key had a vet in a career yera throwing to him while Harrison had a rookie who threw 28 INTs. So about 1- 1 1/2 more chances per game which isn't a big deal and AGAIN his per game averages were nearly identical in NY and post NY. But you said he was top tier w/ the MJets and he only averaged 76 a year w/ the Jets? I know you'll want to remove his rookie #s but even w/o his '96 #s he averaged just 80 w/ the Jets and if we take away his best season w/ the Jets(since you want to do that w/ TB) then he averaged just 72 recs a season and in TB from '00-'02 he averaged 84 a season and prorating his '03 #s his 4 year rec avreage would have been 81 which is STILL better than Key's avg in NY if you take away his rookie season. So we should take away his rookie year w/ the Jets anmd his best years w/ TB? Then you might be right, he was better in NY but unfortunately both of those years count. If we start taking away his rookie year and Key's best year in TB then we need to take away 2003 and Key's 89 rec season in 1999 to even things out.
