Come on man. I just think the last 11 years have beat our expectations down. Pacells took over a dumpster fire and went 21-11 after 2 seasons, and 29-19 after 3. JD starting rebuilding a 4-12 team and went 6-27. JD could go 17-0 this year and still have a worse record than BP. After 3 off seasons JD has used 7 first round picks, vs BP's 1. Yet, were currently debating if we can even make it to .500 after year three. BP went .500 year three with a 3rd string QB, who only had 15 starts his entire career. BP's four year record as our GM was 39-25. After two seasons JD has already lost more games than BP did his whole tenure as our GM.
I agree. If anything, it makes Parcells out to be an even smarter GM than he's given credit for because he locked Belichick into the head coaching job and then quit to keep him there.
I still think Parcells was a batter coach than GM…so it can be hard to separate the two. I would say Parcells is probably the best HC we’ve ever had. Hard to say how much Parcells the HC bailed out Parcells the GM….as a GM he had plenty of whiffs in the draft, which he also made up for in free agency….which is ok…his strategy as a GM was win now so he relied on key free agents to being in his system. And the draft was maybe not the primary team building tool for him. His strategy worked. He completely turned around our team in a very short time. I also think Tannenbaum was a good GM for us as well…he drafted plenty of pro bowlers and set the team up for success…he rebuilt a shit OL in one year by drafting Brick and Mangold and using free agency for Woody and Faneca…poof…instant OL. Look how long we’ve been trying to rebuild that shit OL of ours…I think he got a little too cute with some of the later drafts and took the “quality over quantity” mantra too far by drafting 4 then 3 players in back to back years, and that cut out a lot of our young depth. But again, hard to argue with his results. And was it Kensil or Steinberg who built those early 1980s teams? They were very good, and primarily through the draft as well. I think we all agree that both Idzik and Mac sucked bad…sometimes it’s hard to judge who was worse, but they were both awful enough that they’ll never be a GM in the NFL again. Enough said. so we get to JD. I think the positives are many…he has a strategy and vision for building the team through the draft, and it looks provision after his third draft. His first one was a disaster, but it WAS his first one, and it was done in concert with a different coaching staff with a different scheme…we all said this third draft would swing the pendulum one way or another, and based on most everyone’s views, he k kicked it out of the park. If he keeps building on his past couple of drafts, I would be very comfortable in assuming he’ll build a very good team. His vision values the right positions. He has gotten over on trades more often than not….the Adams and Darnold trades look like highway robbery for us. He hasn’t spent foolishly in free agency. He seems to have built a solid culture within the building…coaches and GM are aligned. so yeah, the wins aren’t here yet, and at some point they have to come, but hard to argue that he hasn’t been pretty damn good in the seat. It’ll be hard to say he’s the best until we actually see real progress in the wins column, but it looks promising
Bill Parcells was arguably the best head coach of all time. His ability to get the most out of each and every player is unparalleled. While he was also an outstanding general manager who turned free agents and draft capital from coal into diamonds his coaching was the bigger contribution to this franchise.
Oh, JD lost those games... You can't use W's and L's to compare the differences between a head coach and a GM make to a team. Parcells is a HOF coach not a HOF GM. C'mon man. Does JD need to make himself the head coach? Another key difference is that Parcells looked at a three year (four max) window and damned the cap to hell. He went for it. We wanted that. Fine. JD is operating for the long term. That matters a lot. If JD somehow now could hire Parcells as coach he'd be a much better GM for the W's and L's improvement. The Saleh hire was also for the long term. Another aspect was Parcells ability to get vets in here. His reputation did that. I'm sure he also pitched them with the "I'm gunning all out for a SB in 3 years" (Then I'm bailing out with a parachute)
If you can’t see that JD is better than Idzik and Mac then you’re even more clueless than I thought. Mind boggling stuff
Weve been telling you sacks people that pressures are a better indicator of future success than sacks for years now (Leonard Williams)
Don't forget Parcells was a Super Bowl winning Coach who knew his stuff on and off the playing field at his seat in the Draft Room So BP has a big edge over Joe D there ..Douglas had to wait out Gase and the just got us Saleh Sometimes I wonder if Douglas could also Coach..I mean wouldn't that be something!? But all in all agree Bill Parcells stands above JD atm
JD looks better on paper but if the wins never materialize than he could end up as our worst GM ever. I hope we do not find that to be the reality.
Leonard Williams has had one season with high pass rushing production. So if pressures are an indicator of “future success,” he needs to have a couple more above average seasons for that to be true. A QB pressure can also still result in a positive play for the offense. A QB sack obviously does not. Pressure statistics are good to look at but there are a lot of people that tried to prop up Lawson as more than he was. His 2020 campaigne tied with Chase Winovich for the lowest amount of sacks in a single season with 35+ pressures. It’s a strange outlier to pile up tons of pressures with limited amount of sacks.
Nobody’s arguing sacks aren’t better than pressures. But pressures are FACTUALLY proven to hamper QB success. Period.
the only people who talk about pressures being as good as sacks are pass rushers who don’t close out sacks and their agents
Cincinnati upgraded from Lawson with Hendrickson. Both making 15 mill per year, Hendrickson had more sacks in 2021 alone than Lawson had in the last 4 seasons combined. Our Jets did the Bengals a favor, it was a disastrous signing
I like that JD didn't shoot his wallet cannon at every FA that crossed the transom. His FA season was good gets at the right price. Also his draft was pretty solid. Theoretically the Jets should be better. When a GM does everything right the team should get better.
Exactly. Lawson was injury prone in Cincinnati and came here and got injured. Their headache was over and they replaced him 14.5 sacks at the same price
Bengals replaced Lawson with a player that has similar production and less injury history for the same price we paid. They also locked up their pass rusher for an additional year. Their man also stayed healthy and helped them make it to the Superbowl while Lawson got hurt before the season started. Just because the Bengals did well does not mean we screwed up. This year with any luck we will see what a healthy Lawson can do.
