Honest question--none of us were in the War Room in 2000. Do you HONESTLY believe that Al Groh ran that draft? _
Please post the articles with specifics about what Al Groh did in the War Room that day. I'll post articles with specifics about what Bill Parcells that day. At some point you just gotta say, "hey, we'll never know, you could be right". Or you can do what you do and dig in and never adnmit how very wrong you are. Again. _
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/30/s...ely-settled-in-but-groh-holds-jets-reins.html http://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/25/s...ls-hands-the-coaching-reins-over-to-groh.html
you will post that article from 10 years later. I will keep posting articles(I think it's up 7-8) about how Groh had power and you will keep ignoring.
couldn't win multiple SBs in easier division w/ most talented teams in the league but he'd win multiple here. Can't make this stuff up.
Post an article that specifically mentions anything about what Al Groh did that day. I'll post articles about specifics about what Parcells did the night before and that day. I think folks recounting what actually happened IN the War Room is more revealing than a fluff quote saying "Al Groh is in control". Too funny, Al Groh noted personell man takes over draft from Bill Parcells. We can't be this naive. _
How many more articles must I post? you post one, I post 10 and your one is supposed to trump my 10? Al Groh wasn't noted as anything more than an assistant coach just as BP wasn't noted as anything more than head coach. BP helped, I thank him for starting a dynasty in NE.
Post articles about what Groh did IN the draft room. Not fluff quotes with Parcells making it seem like it was his idea all along to elevate Groh. _
Chad thinks it was Parcells too. Not Groh. http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/20..._kind_of_came_out_of_nowhere_to_pick_him.html Chad Pennington returned to this city on Wednesday, and he was wearing that recognizable No. 10 white jersey with the green trim and his last name splashed across the back. He put it on moments after he arrived at Chelsea Waterfront Park for an NFL Play 60 event, and even in khakis and sneakers with a baseball cap pulled low over his forehead, Pennington suddenly looked familiar again. Pennington, 37, was ready to play football, only this time it was as an instructor for dozens of local children. He's in town for his work with NFL Legends Community, for whom he does part-time consulting. But he's also slated to represent the Jetsat this year's draft, which begins Thursday and runs through Saturday about 30 blocks uptown from here at Radio City Music Hall. The NFL is having a franchise alumnus announce each respective second-round pick for all 32 teams on Friday. Pennington, a former quarterback who now lives in Lexington, Ky., with his wife and three sons, said the Jets asked him to do it. He didn't hesitate to say yes. "I consider it an honor to be able to do that," he said. The Jets have the No. 18 pick in Thursday's first round. As coincidences have it, Pennington was the guy they took when they last had the No. 18 pick, way back in 2000. And here's a little something to keep in mind, given all of the draft speculation now floating around about this player and that team or that player and this team: At the time, Pennington never thought the Jets would take him. The Jets had four first-round selections that year, and they were one of four teams to have interviewed him extensively, Pennington said. But in the weeks leading up to the draft, Pennington didn't have another private workout with the Jets and they hadn't been in touch with him at all. He wound up being the third player the Jets took on draft night. "I spent the time with my family in Tennessee," said Pennington, a Knoxville, Tenn., native who played his college ball at Marshall University. "I do remember that the Jets kind of came out of nowhere. Looking back on it, most people thought it was going to be Pittsburgh or San Francisco [drafting him]. Both of those teams passed, and the Jets decided to draft me and we never looked back." How could something like that happen? Easy: "Coach [Bill] Parcells is always good about laying in the weeds," Pennington said with a smile. Pennington spent eight seasons with the Jets, for whom he threw for 13,738 yards, 82 touchdowns, and 55 interceptions. He led them to the playoffs four times as the team's starter. His top Jets memory? There are two, and they came in back-to-back weeks: The 42-17 thumping of the Packers in the 2002 season finale against Brett Favre and the Packers—which clinched what is still the Jets' most recent division title—followed by that 41-0 playoff drubbing of Peyton Manning and the Colts. "Those two weeks, to me, were extremely exciting—not only as Jet players, but just for Jet fans, the whole area," Pennington said. "I just remember the Meadowlands being electric for those two ball games. That's one of my favorite things." Looking back, Pennington said, he felt he had a good rapport with Jets fans during his time here. "When you're playing, you're in such a grind, such a pressure-cooker, that you don't get a chance to take a step back and look at it," he said. "But when I look at it in retrospect, I think that the fans respected how I handled myself, and I respected the fans in return. And because of that, any time I come to New York, I always am able to speak with the fans on the street, and they respect the time that I had here and the effort that I gave." The Jets released Pennington just weeks before the start of the 2008 season, when they brought in—of all people—Favre. Pennington signed with the rival Dolphins the following day. That season—the first of three he would spend in Miami—he threw for 3,653 yards and completed a league-best 67.4 percent of his passes. Pennington admitted it felt a little strange at first to put on the Dolphins' uniform, but he also said he has no regrets about the way his time with the Jets ended. "Most of us have to leave not on our own terms—that's just the way this business works," Pennington said. "There's certainly no regrets because I left everything I had out on the field. You start understand the business part of it, and you can't be emotional about it. You have to understand that it doesn't last forever and eventually has to come to an end. "But at that point in time, when I went to Miami, I was just so excited about having another opportunity. I made some great relationships and friendships in Miami, too. I have respect for both organizations for the opport _
I remember an interview with Groh early in that season and he basically admitted he was in over his head. He may have had some input in the draft, like maybe Parcells keeping him abreast of the directions they could take, and maybe asking Groh what he might prefer. But looking up articles like they're some sort of fact in an encyclopedia and stating, and correcting people, that Groh ran the draft is preposterous. Unbelievable lol
And using quotes from Parcells the week he hired Groh saying he was giving him total control is nothing more than Parcells trying to make it seem like Groh was his real choice rather than a complete knee jerk reaction to having Belichick abruptly quitting on him is just as preposterous. Did Al Groh REALLY call Bill Walsh the night before the draft to trade up for a number 1 pick to so he could take Shaun Ellis? Yeah, right, that sounds like Al Groh, respected GM material calling Hall of Famer Bill Walsh. _
Key was GONE by April 2000. Gone. Done. 2000 linear miles away and in reality a million miles away from NY. He had zero idea of what happened that day. _
have you read the articles I have posted? I will post them all again: http://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/25/sports/pro-football-parcells-hands-the-coaching-reins-over-to-groh.html http://espn.go.com/premium/nfl/columns/cannizzaro_mark/488859.html http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/22/sports/pro-football-jets-trade-up-for-johnson-replacement.html http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/31/sports/pro-football-groh-jolts-jets-and-resigns-as-coach-after-one-season.html http://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/30/sports/pro-football-he-s-just-barely-settled-in-but-groh-holds-jets-reins.html http://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/25/sports/pro-football-parcells-hands-the-coaching-reins-over-to-groh.html
you are latching on to a meaningless point in an effort to deflect from what was stated. What Key said was Groh TRADED him, that he was in charge. Nothing about the draft. The million other articles I posted discussed his powers w/ regards to the draft.
