When I compare Mingo to Gholston, I'm not comparing physical attributes. Mingo has great acceleration and speed. Gholston was a strong player, bulled through people, wrecked some QBs in college. What DO they have in common though? Both players are raw. Lots of potential, but tehcnique-challenged. What I see from Mingo, as he is now, is a player who is fast, but when he goes up against NFL talent-level tackles who can actually block, he's just going to get pushed out of the way and he'll overrun the QB. He certainly can't take a lineman on 1 on 1. He doesn't have the size for that. And that level of talent isn't worth of a #9 pick.
I agree Mingo is a good fit on the Jets, and he'd be a good compliment to guys like Coples and Wilkerson. But not at 9. Way too much risk at 9. Jordan would be a much better choice there if he's available. Moore, too, probably.
u cannot take mingo at 9.....the risk/reward is not favorable enough. however, the r/r does become favorable in the middle to lower part of round one for a team that can simplfy his role on a defense so he doesn't have to use any grey matter. just rush the QB. thats it. i would gladly pay this guy a #22 pick salary for 3 years or so IF he can average 12 QB sacks and 3-4 fumbles. i think he has the physical tools to do that in the right scheme/situation. thats where he is a bit different than someone like gholston.
If we're going to love Mingo for his potential and disregard his lack of college production and love his strong combine, then we have to love Moore for his actual on field results and not be as concerned with his poor combine showing.
I've been just as concerned with Mingo's hype and lack of performance as A lot of other people. If Moore falls to the Jets at 9, that would be wonderful.
The thing about the combine IMO, is if you're in the top 10% or in the bottom 10% of performers at the combine, then you re-evaluate that player with that knowledge. With Mingo, we knew he was explosive and was going to blow up the combine. That's not the problem. He can be a disruptive force, he showed flashes of that in college. But he disappeared all the time, and that's still on the tape. With Damontre Moore, his performance was so bad, you now have to take a look at him through a different lens saying, "Is he really this slow and weak on the field?" His pro day on Friday will be vital.
I'm sorry but I would pass on Jarvis the same as I would pass on mingo, I would take, Ansah, Werner and Moore. I know that they play different positions but if any of these three players are there for the Jets at 9 I hope they take one of them. The combine should only account for 15% to 20% of evaluation, the tape should account for 60% to 70% and that's what I'm basing my opinion on.
I don't know much about this guy, but I LOVE his name. In all seriousness, if I was drafting players, psychological factors and intelligence would be tremendously important. Physical talent is great, but the ability to bring forth that potential is crucial. Look at Gholston as a perfect example. He had tremendous physical skills, but they remained dormant because of his psychological makeup.
I don't want to come across as an apologist or even a fan of his..because I'm not. There are at least 4 players I think the jets have a realistic chance at selecting before I'd consider him. I'm just not sure I completely understand many of the criticisms being made about him. I never saw him as a guy who took off plays or lacked any sort of motor. Quite the contrary actually. He was always hustling to the ball down field. If anything I think he quite often wore himself down bybeing all effort all the time despite his limited size. The lack of production can be chalked up to many things. Bottom line is however..he was STILL disruptive despite the lack of stats.Watch the O-lines blocking schemes, watch the QB's step up in the pocket..he most certainly made an impact as a pass rusher. Have people watched his Sophomore tape? He was mighty impressive. Wouldn't you all agree that the LSU program as a WHOLE took a step back last season? Hell look at Sam Montgomery. This could be another Coples situation. There are certainly concerns. His body type is iffy for adding more weight,he needs a ton of work on technique..& he appears to wear down in the runing game. Hard to argue that thoise all aren't manageable facets however. His first step/burst/long arms are rare.
Ditto. Jones has superstar potential if the congenital issue doesn't shut him down. Moore is probably going to be a solid player but projecting him as a star is a reach. Mingo is a roll of the dice and the side with 6 has been blanked instead.
I think many expected him to do not so well at the combine... maybe just not that bad. I dont really think his game is built around pure athleticism and power, which could be a good thing, but may limit his ceiling. I am interested to see what he does at his pro day... a 4.75 40 and 18-22 reps could help him regain some of his stock.
This. I'm not a "fanboy" or a big combine guy, I just really think people overlook all his positives because they look at his stats and see a low sack total. It also worries me that, while I like Jarvis, a lot of people see his 13.5 and think he is instantly a beast. Sacks are a very misleading number. I think we can all agree Wilkerson was a WAY better pass rusher this year with 5 sacks than Maybin with 6 in 2011. "I have no problem with Mingo as a top-10 pick. His lack of sack production is being overemphasized, as he often faced extra attention from double-teams. In multiple games I saw on tape, he was limited in a gap-discipline game plan to limit mobile quarterbacks. Yes, he needs to get bigger and stronger to hold up better against the run. He also needs to improve his speed-to-power rush, but he is an explosive pass-rusher already, and his motor is always running. He is athletic enough to occasionally drop into coverage, but he will get paid to get after the QB. That’s exactly what the Jets need on defense." - Mcshay I just feel like a lot of people are very misinformed about Barkevious Mingo.
