Your kind of in DWC territory piling on unrelated examples to make a point. Yes JD got a steal for Adams. That didn't make him build a winning team. The team that he stole those #1s from has already rebuilt faster than JD.
A lame duck head coach? What are you talking about. Joe Douglas was brought here because of Adam Gase. Douglas was Gase's hand-picked general manager
Yes, Seattle "lost" that trade. But they've torn it down and built it back up quicker than the Jets, who were beneficiaries of that trade and they are doing it with a former Jets QB and they gave the Jets a solid ass-kicking since* but we wanna praise Joe Douglas as the big winner here edit- 2 solid ass kickings since*
Well hard to count his first year when he was hired AFTER the draft (run by Mac) and AFTER the first main wave of free agency (also run by Mac)… When he was hired he was working with Mac’s draft and Mac’s free agency signings and really only had those 2nd and 3rd waves of free agency to work with
yeah, after the draft. Mccagnan gave him currently the single best player on the entire team in that draft
yeah it's the only good thing gase did for us. he was a shit hire, we all knew it. we all knew he wasn't lasting more then that 1 season.
so basically Joe Douglas has had 4 drafts since and he hasn't been able to get a player better than the one given to him in the draft from the very year you want to excuse from his record. Okaaaay
Seattle has rebuilt much of their team in the last 2 years, mostly through the draft. Here is an example. We all agree 2022 was JD best draft by far because we got Sauce, Garrett, JJ, and Breece. Four top 34 picks, including two in the top 10. Yet Seattle still had a more productive draft than us. Lets compare. Jets - Sauce Gardener Seattle - Riq Woolen who led the league in picks his first season and was rated 2 points lower than Sauce at the end. But they got him with pick 153, not pick 4. They also got CB Coby Bryant, another solid starter in the 4th round. Both of these guys contracts combined are less than Sauce, and its way more CB talent. Jets - Garrett Wilson Seattle - Charlie Cross and Abraham Lucus, both their starting tackles. And Lucus was pick 72. #1 WRs are great but their a dime a dozen, especially in the top 10. Two starting tackles are a WAY more valuable haul. Jets - Jermaine Johnson Seattle - Boye Mafe. JJ was a first rounder, who we had to trade an extra 3rd to get, and Mafe was pick 41, yet Moye is a more productive player. Jets - Breece Hall Seattle - Kenneth Walker Breece is better no doubt, but Walker is no slouch and they didn't have to trade other picks to get him. Remember, Breece was another trade up and cost a 2nd and a 5th. Not only is JD using high picks, he is trading other picks to get his guys. Even in JDs best draft Seattle did a better job team building. And they did it much cheaper. Lets not get started on the last draft because they blew us out of the water, and they succeed by finding talent all over the draft, and not trading up.
Q was our highest non QB pick though. he's a top 5 DT in the NFL and debatable top 2 so thats hard to beat it's also pretty debatable if he's the best on the team Sauce was the top CB in the NFL last year, AP, and pro bowl. GW was OROTY Breece is probably the 2nd best RB in the NFL behind CMC right now (achane is making a case for himself too though but just got hurt) none of the top lineman have come close to being elite lineman in any draft he's had. we don't have the jason kelces, joe thomas, nick mangolds, etc. so can't get blood from a stone but both becton and AVT have played well when not hurt. tippman is off to a good start to after 3 games JJ is looking solid in year 2. mac left us desperate for o-line help. he never signed any big ones in FA and never drafted any early. JD had to remedy that hence using 2 1sts, a 2nd, and 2 4ths on lineman in just 4 drafts. I'm not saying excuse the record. obviously we want to win, but you know your lying if you didn't think we had a SB chance this year with a team JD completely built (only 2 holdovers from 4 years ago when he took over is Q and CJ) he signed ried cheap as a mid tier free agent and he's been a top 10 CB, found MC2 late in the draft as a top Ni back, he grabbed quincy off waivers and locked him down cheap, and quincy is playing like a top 5 Lber right now, JFM was another waiver steal. he fixed special teams now with morestead and greg the leg. he found gipson as an UDFA, he found huff as an UDFA, traded for a HOF QB. when he took over this team we had a failing young QB (darnold), no o-line, no WR talent, shit at RB, no edge rushers, nothing but a DT, SS, and LBer who missed all of 2019 pretty much and sat out 2020. he had to dump bad contracts (trumaine johnson) and he rebuilt each group. we went from the worst CB group to the best, improved the Lbers, greatly improved the edge rush, improved the o-line, improved the RB, improved the WRs etc. only thing he missed on greatly was the QB but he fixed that by trading for rodgers. the team he built this season on paper is great. and next year we will compete too and hopefully have rodgers all year
thats not rebuilding. it's maintaining. rebuild is taking a shit team and turning it around, maintaining is having a good team already and just keeping it up when you lose players due to cap. they also had a FQB for over a decade and was able to trade him for a crazy package before he declined and had a capable backup ready. pete caroll is a great coach too.
Not rebuilding? Okay lets put it this way. Seattle currently has 14 players starting from their last two drafts. I guess you'd call that pretty good "maintaining".
it is. they are actually down talent from where they were 5 years ago. but they haven't been bad since they drafted wilson and the legion of boom. they had like 3 ridiculous drafts in a row and won a SB then made it the next year and lost. they have consistency at coach and one of the best out there, found a FQB in the 3rd round, and drafted a ton of defensive studs. they haven't rebuilt since caroll was hired (2010) they've been a consistently good team for a while. and all the good teams have something in common. consistency at QB, Head coach, and GM. but fans here want to fire every HC/GM we have over and over. JD has won championships with 2 franchises and he turned this team from a talentless bunch to one of the most talented groups. The jury is still out on saleh as a HC but we need to have some stability.
In the last two drafts Seattle had landed two of the top CBs in the league, a top nickleback, and a solid saftey (filled 4 of the 5 DB positions). Only one of them was taken above the 4th round. That's how you build through the draft.
