AVT Out for season

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  1. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    but had we picked breece 15th overall, people would have complained because he was a "reach" nobody would be complaining now though. thats the point.
    GMs "reach" because they like a player an know they won't be there on their next pick. if the player turns out elite, then nobody cares at that point.
    If we lose huff and lawson in the offseason and WMD comes out and gets 15 sacks people will appreciate it then.
    the main point is, it's too soon to say it's a bad pick and the armchair GMing here is god awful
     
  2. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    you make some weird points.

    Undefeated San Francisco's GM is bad. Breece Hall would've been a terrible pick at 15, except he wouldn't and he wasn't picked 15th.

    WTF man, I stopped using drugs a few years back
     
  3. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    he's listed at a 66.5 not 75
    https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/broderick-jones/124025

    pretty sure you are the one arguing here complaining about 1 draft pick when we have a pretty damn talented roster

    If jones was here, you'd be shitting on him and on JD complaining he reached for another bust o-lineman or somehting dumb like that
     
  4. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    our field is shitty too. supposedly they replaced it this past offseason IIRC. remember when the niners played here in back to back weeks (jets then giants) and lost like 11 players in those 2 games and then went 6-10 on the season due to injuries after going 13-3 the year before
     
  5. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    lol I never said lynch was bad. I said he was one of the best, i pointed out that even the best make bad picks
    at least try and read correctly if your going to make comments like that

    and in hindsight hall was absolutely worth a top 15 pick, probably would have went top 10
     
  6. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    ohhhh okay, makes sense
     
  7. The Waterboy

    The Waterboy Well-Known Member

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    That was me that posted that, got it from clutchpoints.com and now they updated to say he's out for the season with an ACL so they still didn't get it right
     
  8. MDJets

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    Really sucks. Becton I am afraid is not going to last long. Hope the backups step up.
     
  9. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    the reason i brought up lynch is I see people shit on JD for every mistake he makes so I pointed out one of the best has made a ton of mistakes that would be crucified here
    this fan base lacks any sense of patience or understanding. they think being a GM is like it is on madden where you can acquire whoever you want, make dumb trades, ignore a salary cap, and ignore the will of the other 31 GMs.
    JD has made some mistakes, but he's also turned around one of the worst rosters into one of the best in a span of 4 offseasons.
    I see all the quincy love (and well deserved) but people forget that he was cut and picked up off waivers and the coaching staff helped turn him from a fringe Lber with potential to a stud. oh and JD just extended him for 3 years. so now we have one of the top LBers for 6 mil a year for the next 3 years. thats just 1 example. JD has been a good GM but gets shit on here for any little mistake
     
  10. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    lacks patience and understanding? Joe Douglas is in his 5th year with his 2nd head coach. I dont think there is a GM out there that gets 5 losing seasons and no criticism. Most of them lose their jobs with that resume
     
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  11. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    he's actually only 5 games into year 4. IDK why people keep saying 5. he came on in 2019 after the draft and free agency. You can't count a year on a GM where he had no offseason.
    John lynch took 5 full seasons of being a GM before going above 500 as a GM.
    realistically depending on the roster they took over, a GMs 1st couple of years are a wash. it takes time to add talent. he had to shed bad contracts from the previous GM and trade away what little we had for picks and hit on them.
    now going into year 4 we had a "championship roster" vegas had us at 6th best chance to win, most other teams fans are impressed with our team. IDK why we cna't be happy. rodgers going down fucked us obviously, but same would happen if the bills lost allen or the cheifs lost mahomes etc etc. he took 4 seasons to go from talentless roster to SB contending roster. thats not awful. the results haven't been there due to bad luck sadly. IDK why we can never stay somewhat healthy
     
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  12. Jets79

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    This argument is not one I would use…5th year yeah but he didn’t get that first year draft or free agency as he came after both, so really it’s 4 years. Also, the comment about the 2nd coach is also misleading…he was hired when Gase was already here…he didn’t hire Gase and he couldn’t fire Gase as Gase reported to Woody. So really he’s in his 4th year of being in full control and he’s with his first (and only) HC hire.

    That being said, 4 years is still 4 years and to me, the inability to build a top 10 OL is a glaring weakness. The QB whiff on Zach is even worse, but many if not most GMs have whiffed on QBs…super hard to predict who will pan out and the list of QBs picked first or second overall who flamed out is a long list.

    Personally, I think JD has done more good than bad, and I would not push to fire him quite yet, but I do also feel like at some point, we need to start actually winning…I think he’ll get next year with Rodgers back but we’ll see…unless the team totally flames out and only wins one or two more games, I’m assuming he’s back next year….
     
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  13. Jets OG fan

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    Facepalm.

    Dude actually played his best college football at tackle. I get you want to point fingers but it's a fluke injury, not something you can magically prevent by playing guard. Some people just don't have a clue.
     
  14. Stevied

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    I remember it well! Was thinking of that game the other day
     
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  15. ouchy

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    3 years ago JD had more resources than any team in the league in high picks and cap space. He still failed to build a winning team. Teams that started building after us like the Seahawks, Lions and Jaguars have passed us. Even newer builds like the Texans, Colts, and Falcons are passing us. JD just has a way of keeping our roster in the back water.
     
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  16. Jets79

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    Well interestingly enough, those three teams’ QBs are all rated higher than Zach…CJ Stroud is playing really well for a rookie, and that surprises me because I’ve just got zero faith in Ohio State QB’s to translate to the pro’s but he’s doing well. Even Ridder and Richardson have higher QB ratings.

    QB drives success…if Zach can continue to improve (and thats a HUGE if), we may win a bunch of games, but we’ll see…
     
  17. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    now we can’t count his 1st year? What in the fuck
     
  18. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    look what the Lions have built. That GM hasn’t been there very long. And it’s freakin detroit.
     
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  19. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    and where did those resources come from? they came from JD. getting 2 1sts for adams was a steal. we turned that into GW, AVT and like 10 mil in cap room per year
    he did built a winning team, but sadly 4 snaps into the season we lost our QB. want me to go back and see what your record prediction was? I bet it was a winning record. "on paper" we have an elite roster. probably top 5. we were a QB away, then he went out and got the QB. you can't blame a GM for injuries. remember the colts getting 11-14 wins evry year with manning, then manning went down and they won like 2 games on the year and got to pick 1st overall? did anyone blame the GM for that losing season? didn't think so.
     
  20. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    because his 1st year was after the draft and FA. he didn't get an offseason at all to start building. he came into a team that already drafted and all the free agents were signed. he had a lame duck head coach and 0 roster control so yeah 2019 is on mac and gase nothing to do with JD.
     

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